We owe Spike Lee a huge Apology

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Spike Lee doesn't need my help to defend him, but he does deserve our gratitude and respect.

I remember watching Pulp Fiction for the first time. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, if not loved it. It is fair to characterize it as a classic piece of American cinema. But that doesn't in any way mitigate the impact or excuse the "Dead N***** Storage" joke(s) in the film. They were unnecessary and wholly arbitrary in nature. They weren't for expository effect or "authenticity."

They were to generate laughs. He got none from me.

Then came Jackie Brown. This time, it was more of the same but for a lesser quality movie. Samuel L. Jackson was once again (like Pulp Fiction) used as the loudspeaker for the supposed humor. In fact, it was used 38 times. Again, not for expository effect or "authenticity" sake, (although Tarantino has argued publicly that the movie was an homage to the Blackxploitation genre in which the word was often used.)

But again... used to generate laughs... and I didn't.

My familiarity with Tarantino's work was neither linear nor chronological in nature. It wasn't until after Jackie Brown that I went back and discovered Reservoir Dogs... and there it is found too. Say it again with me... not for expository effect or "authenticity" sake.

This time it wasn't necessarily for laughs per se, but was used by "Mr. Pink" to specifically degrade and deride as an insult.

This is largely the history of Quentin Tarantino leading up to Django Unchained, a movie whose script was widely circulated in the year prior to its release. Spike Lee read it, I've read and virtually everyone else involved in entertainment had read it long before the movie premiered.

Lee, made it clear that he did not plan to support the movie, finding the whole premise of spaghetti western slave drama to be "disrespectful" to his (and my) ancestors. In response, Lee was criticized and castigated for not having viewed the movie first and for being a "hater," as the reductionist, simple-minded argument would go.

Lee's critique is not, was not and will never be dependent on the "quality" of the movie. It never was about the movie, it's about the very premise. I don't need to actually view "Slavery -- The Broadway Musical" starring Jennifer Hudson to forward the idea that slavery as a musical is wholly disrespectful in its very conception. I don't need to sit through "Slavery - The Daytime Soap Opera" starring Shemar Moore or "Superman The Man of Steel Frees the Negroes" co-starring Flava Flav either to come to this reasonable conclusion.

If you need to see the movie to gauge the accuracy of Lee's point... you've in fact already missed it.

Let me say it again and in bold, because I'm sure somebody below in the comment section will say to "see it" first.

If you need to see the movie to gauge the accuracy of Lee's point... you've in fact already missed it.

Those familiar with the horrible premise of The Secret Diary of Desmond Pfeiffer, which aired briefly on UPN should already get the point.

Please save your Django movie review, it's not relevant to this discussion. No matter if you loved it or hated it... not germane to the issue. Keep it to yourself while debating this issue.

It is and always was about the premise (and predilection) of Tarantino.

Lee was called (among other things) a "thug" and "punk" by comedian dikk Gregory and a "conniving and scheming Uncle Tom" by former 2LiveCrew leader Luther Campbell. I respect the former and laugh at the latter. dikk Gregory has a long, undeniable civil rights history, but such a classless rebuke for a film he wasn't in and criticism not directed at him is curious at best. And you also mean to tell me, the man BEST known for debasement of countless women of color and a career of misogyny, Luther Campbell was calling the director of Four Little Girls, When the Levees Broke, Malcolm X, Do the Right Thing and Miracle at St. Anna (producer) an "Uncle Tom?"

That would be laugh-out-loud funny if it weren't so sadly ignorant. Campbell knows about as much about Harriet Beecher Stowe as I do quantum physics.

...As in nothing.

Each one of Spike's aforementioned movies was a very sincere and detailed love letter to the African-American community. Love letters, not just movies. While Spike Lee was forever changing the future of film and how Black directors and actors would be utilized back in the late '80s... Campbell was in the midst of a 19th century minstrel show revival, cavorting and undulating to "Oh, me so horny."

And now Campbell feels both comfortable and confident to say Lee is an "Uncle Tom?"

It is silly to think such stupidity was going to pass unless I said something. If nobody else tells the truth, I will.

I have not agreed (or appreciated) all of Lee's work (including use of the N-word), or even his depiction of women in many of his films. And for that I have summarily criticized him over the years, check the record. But be absolutely clear, you can't question how much he loves the African-American community and his sincerity is above reproach. Know that before Denzel and Halle accepted their Oscars, it was Spike who made them into viable silver screen options. It was Spike who introduced Samuel L. Jackson to the world, paving the way for Tarantino to use him in films, not vice-versa. It was Spike who laid the path for contemporaries John Singleton, Ernest dikkerson, F. Gary Gray, Tim Story, the much-maligned Tyler Perry and Antoine Fuqua who also publicly chided Lee with respect to Django.

That would be the same Antoine Fuqua, who directed Training Day, featuring the very same Denzel Washington (and N-words) as a vehicle to an Oscar. Spike says "you're welcome" Antoine.

When there were none of them, Spike was fighting FOR them, telling stories on film traditional Hollywood refused to support. A director doesn't make films like 4 Little Girls to make himself wealthy or in the hopes of winning Oscars. He does it because he's in love with us.

Oscars are given out for questionable roles like those in Training Day and Monster's Ball... not Malcolm X. They are given out for movies like The Help, Glory, Precious and Driving Miss Daisy... not A Huey P. Newton Story or Bamboozled. Lee was making movies for us and about us... not primarily for wealth, fame or Oscars. To call him a "hater" is to say you really haven't been paying attention for the past 25 years. To call him a "thug" (dikk Gregory) means that you really are just a comedian and not to be confused as a real confidante of Dr. King.

Our history can't be denied, one which Lee has dedicated his life to chronicling and preserving.

Turning the corner...

There is nothing to suggest in Tarantino's personal history that he loves us (We grew up less than a mile apart in the same housing track in Harbor City, CA). Fascinated maybe... but love, absolutely not. It is not unlike those who made the argument that Elvis loved and respected African-Americans because "he had 'Black girlfriends.'"

Um... yeah. Waking up next to "us" doesn't mean you love us and neither does a slavery movie in which the protagonist happens to kill all the "bad White people."

Tarantino's behavior reeks more of fascination with the Black experience, complete with an N-word fetish; not respect or reverence. Not to mention, his cavalier use of the word even outside of the film realm (i.e. backstage at the Golden Globes) gives me great, great pause.

I don't have to wonder whether Lee has a deep and abiding respect for our history and contributions to this country, even beyond slavery. His record is inarguable. Conversely, Tarantino's record is equally inarguable. The only thing Tarantino has proven is that we can count on "N*****" to be a staple in his films, past, present and future.

If you disagree with Spike... fine. But to disrespect and disregard him in the expression of that disagreement is wholly unacceptable. Spike Lee has earned better.

We collectively missed Spike Lee's point and owe him a huge apology. Quentin Tarantino has never fought for, or to uplift us. Luther Campbell definitely has never fought for us and the next uplifting thing he does will be his first. Spike Lee doesn't need my help to defend him, but he does deserve our gratitude and respect.

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Morris W. O'Kelly: We Owe Spike Lee a Huge Apology

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/morris-w-okelly/we-owe-spike-lee-a-huge-a_b_2528785.html
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This is what I wrote on the subject in another thread


Read his comments again. He said that the BASIC PREMISE of the movie (a Spaghetti Western/Slavery era mash up with comedic overtones) wasn't something that HE himself was going to support on the grounds that in his opinion Slavery wasn't something to be parodied. He wasn't ignorantly calling the movie something it wasn't, he wasn't even TRULY shytting on the film itself. For those who are familiar with Spike Lee shytting on a film and director, look up his quotes on Clint Eastwood's Flags Of Our Fathers. He stated that HE wasn't going to see the movie because HE believed that slavery should not be depicted in such a manner.

Nowhere on his comments did he speak ill of Quentin Tarantino
Nowhere in his comments did he speak ill of the cast
Nowhere in his comments did he call for protests or boycotts of the film


Again, Django was a good movie, an entertaining and at times poignant work of FICTION. however, if Spike Lee, for his own personal reasons chooses not to see it or endorse it, then he is WELL within his rights to do so. Spike Lee has done MORE than enough throughout his career with his platform for the advancement of African Americans. His allegiance towards the betterment of African Americans is unquestionable and undebateable. I think people really do forget how many African American actors got their breaks from Spike Lee. I think people forget how Spike Lee battled with the studios when they tried to fukk him on the budget of Malcolm X (both he and Denzel Washingtok put their entire salaries up towards the producron budget) I think people forget how Spike Lee told all major magazines and media outlets that he wanted to be interviewed by black journalists, at a time when most of these magazines HAD no black journalists and had go hire them. I think people forget that Spike Lee was calling bullshyt on being charged with Anti-Semticism and creating dialogue on Jewish control of Black Films. I think that people REALLY FORGET what Spike Lee's films stand for in regards to accurately depicting the TRUE African American experience (not Tarantino's Revenge Fanatsy) in modern culture, and I think some of you need to be educated before you disparage Spike Lee.
 

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Incoherent, semi-literate mess.

Can someone sum up his argument for me? All I'm getting is that

a) people should have agreed with Spike about Django because in select films Tarantino uses racial slurs
b) Spike Lee made it so other black directors could be successful
c) therefore, we should apologize to him for disagreeing with him re: Django
 

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suck it up, do the jews complain about holocaust movies, no, they use the generated shock to their advantage and motivation. nikkas actin like slavery is too sensitive to touch, no its not, nor is genocide, holocaust or the many atrocities that happen worldwide. don't like it, don't watch it.

I prefer it be highlighted as for everyone can remember, and remember it will never ever EVER happen again.
 

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To the OP, what is not authentic about dead ****** storage? I can't understand your logic at all. Are you aware that the word ****** is a real word, that is in fact used incredibly frequently in this country, both between blacks (nikka) and whites. What is inauthentic about its usage in any context? You could take a romantic comedy with mostly white characters starring Gerard Butler and throw the word ****** in it randomly and nothing would be inauthentic about that. If you're talking about authenticity, the use of the word ****** should probably be more frequently a part of American movies, not less. IMO.
 

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To the OP, what is not authentic about dead ****** storage? I can't understand your logic at all. Are you aware that the word ****** is a real word, that is in fact used incredibly frequently in this country, both between blacks (nikka) and whites. What is inauthentic about its usage in any context? You could take a romantic comedy with mostly white characters starring Gerard Butler and throw the word ****** in it randomly and nothing would be inauthentic about that. If you're talking about authenticity, the use of the word ****** should probably be more frequently a part of American movies, not less. IMO.

I don't agree with the vast majority of this piece I just posted the article. To see what people thought
 

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To the OP, what is not authentic about dead ****** storage? I can't understand your logic at all. Are you aware that the word ****** is a real word, that is in fact used incredibly frequently in this country, both between blacks (nikka) and whites. What is inauthentic about its usage in any context? You could take a romantic comedy with mostly white characters starring Gerard Butler and throw the word ****** in it randomly and nothing would be inauthentic about that. If you're talking about authenticity, the use of the word ****** should probably be more frequently a part of American movies, not less. IMO.

you can't go one thread without the word nikka, but it's the word most nikkas want to complain about. like being in a twilight zone, acorn brain fools that have not thought this through thorougly.

Im listening to this asap rocky album, and this fool is rhyming nikka with nikka ive counted 3 times now, in a track he made with skrillex. :mindblown:
 

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Lee's critique is not, was not and will never be dependent on the "quality" of the movie. It never was about the movie, it's about the very premise. I don't need to actually view "Slavery -- The Broadway Musical" starring Jennifer Hudson to forward the idea that slavery as a musical is wholly disrespectful in its very conception. I don't need to sit through "Slavery - The Daytime Soap Opera" starring Shemar Moore or "Superman The Man of Steel Frees the Negroes" co-starring Flava Flav either to come to this reasonable conclusion.

If you need to see the movie to gauge the accuracy of Lee's point... you've in fact already missed it.

At this point I rolled my eyes and realized sometimes people should just stop trying to be "smarter than everyone else" and accept that they're just as fukkin' dumb and average as everyone else.

This article could have been one sentence long and been more effective...
Spike Lee doesn't need my help to defend him

GOOD STFU then!
 

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you can't go one thread without the word nikka, but it's the word most nikkas want to complain about. like being in a twilight zone, acorn brain fools that have not thought this through thorougly.

Im listening to this asap rocky album, and this fool is rhyming nikka with nikka ive counted 3 times now, in a track he made with skrillex. :mindblown:

nikkas just like to complain about what somebody did to them, or what somebody is not doing for them. shyts discusting.

Yeah slavery was fukked up, but they still found a way to live, laugh, and love with their families. All movies depicting slavery dont have to be somber documentaries. I believe they'd like to see themselves in an action movie or comedy doing something other than getting beat and whipped.
 

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nikkas just like to complain about what somebody did to them, or what somebody is not doing for them. shyts discusting.

Yeah slavery was fukked up, but they still found a way to live, laugh, and love with their families. All movies depicting slavery dont have to be somber documentaries. I believe they'd like to see themselves in an action movie or comedy doing something other than getting beat and whipped.

right?

people should have been happy. jews had inglorious b*stards, where they got to finally kill some nazis in the movies, all my jewish friends were like :blessed: quoting the movie, calling themselves the characters. now we get some shine and nikkas are mad? :childplease:

when I first saw the previews n youtube, I read the comments and cacs were talkin about "great, the white man is the villian getting killed again", I was like damn right, history is history. I come here and nikkas are talking about "why did it have to be in the slavery days" there are not too many white men that will make themselves and their people the villian and have their own people getting shot up and killed by brown folks. usually they sugar coat that stuff and sweep it under the rug or have another white saving the poor brown folks.

QT JUST GAVE YOU A MOVIE WHERE YOU GET REVENGE AND A CHANCE TO AVENGE THE BLACK QUEEN AND YOU'RE COMPLAINING???????????????

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QT JUST GAVE YOU A MOVIE WHERE YOU GET REVENGE AND A CHANCE TO AVENGE THE BLACK QUEEN AND YOU'RE COMPLAINING???????????????

:snoop:

And honestly that's why A LOT of people, especially blacks, love and are cysin' this movie. We all know damn well that is the main reason dikk Gregory, Farakhan, etc love it. And I aint even mad.
 

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Look, Spike Lee is a complaining ass crab who feels some need to constantly criticize other filmmakers/entertainers for transgressions aginst blackness no matter how ridiculous his criticisms may be.
He attacked Spielberg for The Color Purple and Amistad, he attacked Eddie Murphy for The PJ's, he attacked Oprah Winfrey for hiring Johnathan Demme (a white guy) to direct Beloved, he attacked Clint Eastwood for not having black soldiers in Flags of Our Fathers, and he has been up Tarantino's ass since Pulp Fiction.
The guy has set himself up as the arbiter of blacks in film and comes off as a bit of a dikk in the process.
 

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So QT gets you to PAY to be called "******" 150 times as well as teaching all abouwhy you're inferior. And now nikkas are hating on SPIKE LEE? Sorry Dog, Spike would prolly let you sleep on his couch. QT wouldn't cross the street for your black ass.

If anything this whole episode shows us how hard sime black people will fight to defend their white overlords. Look at yourself.
 

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So QT gets you to PAY to be called "******" 150 times as well as teaching all abouwhy you're inferior. And now nikkas are hating on SPIKE LEE? Sorry Dog, Spike would prolly let you sleep on his couch. QT wouldn't cross the street for your black ass.

If anything this whole episode shows us how hard sime black people will fight to defend their white overlords. Look at yourself
White overlords:mindblown:

The fact that you are worried about "white overlords" says more about you than QT or django.
 
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