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was the voice in Abrahams head: God? Or his serpent?

:ehh:

What possesses someone to destroy?

As per Genesis 1, does god act through destruction...or through love?

so from my perspective, Abraham represents blasphemy and a living testament to what it does to a man. His entire lineage now per the bible is "special" in the eyes of God. He believed it so much that he considered sacrifice of his first born son in light of current traditions of the time.

However consider logically that there are people and creatures that do not have access to scripture or reading/writing yet the entire jewish belief system begins there

From my perspective Abraham represents an archetype.



Whereas Terah (whose name means Breath of God) was obedient to the rulers and customs of his time period, Abraham sought autonomy from the kings and set many precedents not limited too:

  • Singular Property ownership
  • Passing down possessions is more important for first born
  • Sought to inhabit land that Noah predicted would result in servitude
  • Adopted circumcision from Egypt as a covenant with God
All of these things are superficial, and ironically Abraham was concerned with who his sons married (also superficial if God reigns)

Abraham created a movement that says: Do as the Lord commands so that you can better yourself in this world and pass this knowledge to your children.

However the result of this way of thinking is War and eternal conflict and definitely not the Garden of Eden.

The secret to the creation of the Abraham story imo lies here:
Gates of Alexander - Wikipedia

Abraham and his progeny were from the land of the Hurrians which were just south of the Caucuses :unimpressed:

It is a good thing that we have the gospel of Jesus, otherwise you will only see God as a means to an end if you were to only consider Abraham and his sons perspective
True breh, all of Abrahams bloodline does not mesh with the true God in Genesis. But history is written by the victors. Again we're God's whomever/whatever that is, avatar's.
 
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True breh, all of Abrahams bloodline does not mesh with the true God in Genesis. But history is written by the victors. Again we're God's whomever/whatever that is, avatar's.

The original "God" was the big bang. Our God the Abrahamic God, Jew Muslim or Christian. Is our life giving "Sun" The ultimate most high consciousness. Aliens probably exist but their in their own metaverse "universe" with their own Gods "stars" that gave them life and modeled them in their images, "NFTs". At the end of the day everything is light born from pure energy.
 
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K'lal Yisraʾel

הֲלוֹא תֵדְעוּ
הֲלוֹא תִשְׁמָעוּ
הֲלוֹא הֻגַּד מֵרֹאשׁ לָכֶם
:הֲלוֹא הֲבִינוֹתֶם מוֹסְדוֹת הָאָרֶץ
...הַיֹּשֵׁב עַל־חוּג הָאָרֶץ וְיֹשְׁבֶיהָ כַּחֲגָבִים
Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
Has it not been told to you ever since the beginning?
Have you still not understood [who it was that laid] the foundations of the Earth?
[It was] He who is enthroned so high above the Earth's orbit that its inhabitants seem like bugs [to Him]...
(Yashaʿyohu 40:21-22)
The same metaphor portraying human beings seen from far above as appearing 'like bugs' (כַּחֲגָבִים kahaghovim) also occurs in Bamidhbar 13:33, where Moshah's twelve 'Explorers' report that they had spotted huge giants at Hav'ron (identified in verse 22 as ʿAnoq (a name which literally means 'giant') and his three sons ʾAhimon, Sheshai and Tal'mai)—who were so large that they had 'felt like bugs' (בְעֵינֵינוּ כַּחֲגָבִים vʿeinénu kahaghovim) in comparison to them, adding 'and we seemed the same to them' (וְכֵן הָיִינוּ בְּעֵינֵיהֶם w'chén hoyinu bʿeinéham; although I have here translated חֲגָבִים haghovim loosely as 'bugs', strictly speaking חָגָב hoghov is a species of locust and is one of those permitted as food (i.e., 'koshér') per Wayyiqroʾ 11:22). Apart from anything else, the historical account in Bamidhbar shows that the early Yisrʾelim understood the concept of perspective—i.e., that a distant object appears smaller than an object of the same size that is closer to the observer.
 
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when moses parted the red sea, it is in hebrew the "reed sea" or Yam Suph meaning the Sea of Reeds. Which is the location of Egyptian "heaven" or the final afterlife known as Sekhet Aaru

if the reed sea is the real parted waters...what really is happening?
Moshah would not have been able to 'part' (the actual word used in Shamoth 14:16 really means 'split') the water, but on this occasion Hashém told him to do it, so clearly on this one occasion He gave Moshah the ability (and the authority) to split the sea open. On the other hand, it can also be argued that there is only a very fine line separating an imperative from a verb in the imperfect aspect, second person and that the distinction between בְּקָעֵהוּ (the imperative 'split it open!') and תִּבְקָעֵהוּ (the future (imperfect) tense, second person 'you will split it open') is therefore minimal—so it would also be reasonable to translate Shamoth 14:16 as 'hold your stick up and stretch your arm out over the sea, and you will split it open.'

The Torah's account of the Suf Sea miracle is given as follows:
:וַיֵּט מֹשֶׁה אֶת־יָדוֹ עַל־הַיָּם וַיּוֹלֶךְ יְיָ ׀ אֶת־הַיָּם בְּרוּחַ קָדִים עַזָּה כָּל־הַלַּיְלָה וַיָּשֶׂם אֶת־הַיָּם לֶחָרָבָה וַיִּבָּקְעוּ הַמָּיִם
Then Moshah stretched his hand out toward the sea, and Hashém drove the sea back by means of a powerful east wind [that blew] all that night and turned the sea into dry ground, and the water was divided. (Shamoth 14:21)
The 'miracle' was not what happened, but when it happened—at exactly the right time for Yisroʾel (and exactly the wrong time for our enemies)!

Incidentally, this is followed by Shirath Hayyom ('the song by the sea', Shamoth 15:1-18), the triumphal Song that Moshah led the Yisrʾelim in singing on the shores of the Suf Sea after their miraculous rescue from the hand of the Egyptian army. If there were any doubt about its poetic language, even the manner in which it is written in a Sefar Torah indicates that it is a poem:

 
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Moshah would not have been able to 'part' (the actual word used in Shamoth 14:16 really means 'split') the water, but on this occasion Hashém told him to do it, so clearly on this one occasion He gave Moshah the ability (and the authority) to split the sea open. On the other hand, it can also be argued that there is only a very fine line separating an imperative from a verb in the imperfect aspect, second person and that the distinction between בְּקָעֵהוּ (the imperative 'split it open!') and תִּבְקָעֵהוּ (the future (imperfect) tense, second person 'you will split it open') is therefore minimal—so it would also be reasonable to translate Shamoth 14:16 as 'hold your stick up and stretch your arm out over the sea, and you will split it open.'

The Torah's account of the Suf Sea miracle is given as follows:
The 'miracle' was not
what happened, but when it happened—at exactly the right time for Yisroʾel (and exactly the wrong time for our enemies)!

Incidentally, this is followed by Shirath Hayyom ('the song by the sea', Shamoth 15:1-18), the triumphal Song that Moshah led the Yisrʾelim in singing on the shores of the Suf Sea after their miraculous rescue from the hand of the Egyptian army. If there were any doubt about its poetic language, even the manner in which it is written in a Sefar Torah indicates that it is a poem:

Yeah when I read it again side byside with the Egyptian myth it made plenty more sense

however, based on the egyptian perspective it would mean Moses and his host were fed to Ammit :jbhmm:
Ammit - Wikipedia

this is only if you are reading it as a spiritual battle/escape

in a weird way, both sides are correct in the outcome :wow:
 

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Merry Christmas* brothers**


Bernardo Kastrup has written some great books, and given some great interviews. Highly recommended.

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Merry Christmas* brothers**


Bernardo Kastrup has written some great books, and given some great interviews. Highly recommended.

*:jawalrus:
**:blessed:

I watched this and digested it and I came to a simple conclusion

descriptive thinking is inherently destructive if you believe in the infinite God.

In essence, God is of infinite forms so everything that exists also is in truth infinite in nature. So to assign finite descriptions is to collapse possibility and ultimately probability. Once you do that, you draw conclusions at an ever-increasing rate that you fail to understand that it's a point-like thought process. So even if you come to a finite conclusion you still can't use it to label existence which is infinite in nature.

So if you say here are some "fundamental archetypes" you limit them only based on your current understanding. When in the broader understanding there could be very fundamental things happening that influence the creation of the ongoing archetype and how you perceive them.

So for health and sanity, we should consider "ascriptive" thinking which is what ancient people thought which only involves considering things and creatures based on their functions alone. Functions unlike descriptions are infinite in nature rather than finite. So in essence a function could change infinitely yet still accomplish its goal output

The Maxims of Ptahhotep - Wikipedia

  • "A woman with happy heart brings equilibrium." (p. 107)
  • "Love your wife with passion." (p. 107)
  • "As for those who end up continually lusting after women, none of their plans will succeed." (p. 108)
  • "How wonderful is a son who obeys his father!" (p. 112)

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Yes I think this is why we're told to turn our back to our problems, and some mystics and gurus will tell you not to focus on "how." It destroys potential, collapses realities etc. You make the thing bigger than yourself therefore it seems impossible to overcome or get through. Do not give things more "thought" than is necessary, a thing just is. Lower it's importance and you can conquer it.

I think everyone probably has an example or experience where you "gave up" or "surrendered" to a problem and just faced it and it just disappeared/evaporated almost. You were worried for nothing.

Matthew 6:25-34
25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:

29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

The kingdom of god is above (beyond) thinking.
Isaiah 55:8-9
8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.
9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
 
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Yes I think this is why we're told to turn our back to our problems, and some mystics and gurus will tell you not to focus on "how." It destroys potential, collapses realities etc. You make the thing bigger than yourself therefore it seems impossible to overcome or get through. Do not give things more "thought" that is necessary, I thing just is. Lower it's importance and you can conquer it.

I think everyone probably has an example or experience where you "gave up" or "surrendered" to a problem and just faced it and it just disappeared/evaporated almost. You were worried for nothing.

Matthew 6:25-34


The kingdom of god is above (beyond) thinking.
Isaiah 55:8-9
This is what Neville Goddard taught and was taught by his teacher Abdullah
 

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Taosim is very similar as well.
Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu - chapter 12
Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu - chapter 2
Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu - chapter 9
Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu - chapter 78

Almost like truth can be sought and found intuitively (inside) and is not only for those of a certain race, history or religion...
this is why I do my best to not be bigoted towards other belief systems because regardless of what they believe, we still have a common God underneath the descriptions

the fruit of the words manifests as the lives we live out, so the words we eat and speak are what ultimately define us.

Matthew 15:10-12
10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:

11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
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this is why I do my best to not be bigoted towards other belief systems because regardless of what they believe, we still have a common God underneath the descriptions

the fruit of the words manifests as the lives we live out, so the words we eat and speak are what ultimately define us.

Matthew 15:10-12

@Koichos

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A lot of good stuff in sufi mysticism too:
The Sufi imagination – Mark Vernon
 
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