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God doesn't desire sacrifice. But wicked men do.

Psalm 40:5-6


why do you insist on asking me what i believe? is it not just a projection of your own internal quarrel?

if you dont trust what i say, just say that. Scripture is scripture :ehh:

did you ever speak to a Rabbi? :troll:

EDIT - Buddha may have been atheist for all i know. In that world, they believe much of what we see is illusion :yayo:i dont subscribe to that


Christianity ISNT the complete truth :hhh:

its just a group of people with similar beliefs on a shared text with Jews, Muslims, Mormons, Bahai, Druze etc

if we are all gods children and someone is born and dies without ever reading or hearing the gospel of Christ are you saying they are damned?

that’s a dangerous position to take. There is a marked difference in the testimony of Moses and other writers of the books of the Bible...an extreme danger is not considering why

if you are lead by the spirit your ways will be blameless

ok I get it now. I see what you believe/your religious perspective

Had to go back to the older thread from quotes were you made it more clear and spoke your true thoughts

1. You believe in Atenism. The Egyptian God that was supposed to be a monotheistic religion of 1 pharaoh

2. you believe Abrahamic religions are related because you can’t deny their scriptures/stories mentioning Egypt or the people of these religions who basically lived in the same region at the same time so you gotta make sense of it

3. you don’t believe in the God Yaweh. I’m assuming you think that is a evil God maybe the “devil” and this is the God moses and the children of Israel worshiped

4. you believe Jesus (despite being a Hebrew/and Jew by religion) is just misinterpreted as a remix of figures in ancient Egyptian/Greek mythological stories and he’s truly representing the “true” father God of Atenism (not Yaweh “evil” imposter God of Moses in the OT) so in that sense you accept him. Because otherwise you can’t explain him as a figure that existed and said/did the things he did similar to how Muslims are forced to “accept” Jesus

5. you don’t necessarily NOT believe in Islam but you accept parts of it. I figure you believe the same God of Atenism in Egypt is the one giving messages to Muhammad and the Arab people at the time as problematic/contradictory it may be you make it fit because you believe bits and parts of every religion

it’s the same tactic Muslims use to fit the parts of Judaism and Christianity they believe in that wasnt “corrupted” with what Muhammad or the Koran teaches.

That’s why you say “ Christianity isn’t the complete truth”

and neither is Islam or Buddhism, etc.... to you.

In your eyes ANYTHING that came after Atenism or Egyptian religion is not the complete truth

because you see Egypt/Africa as being the origin and root of everything

I’m assuming you being Black (African American) has a lot to do with this perspective which can be seen in similar teachings from NOI or the new Hebrew Israelite movement

so in a sense it’s nothing new

but the point of it is you quest to have all the answers or a definitive answer to the original question:

if we are all gods children and someone is born and dies without ever reading or hearing the gospel of Christ are you saying they are damned?

This is a question atheists often bring up.

it’s like saying “why do bad things happen to good/innocent people”

or “why does God allow evil or bad to happen”

Not knowing what happens to people who “haven’t heard Christ” or aren’t Christian has lead you down the “all paths lead to God” rabbit hole

and Egypt fits best your and checks off all your boxes of what a “perfect” religion is.

so that’s what you believe. Because you can’t accept not knowing.

Your quest to understand every religion on earth and fit them all into your personal perception of GOD is just a projection of your own internal quarrel for 100% literal truth from your studies and research that the God/religion you believe in “Atenism” is the correct one...... or more importantly Yaweh is NOT.

Because if he is then everything you believe about EGYPT changes. Literally your whole foundation crumbles and anything you believe based off it :whoo:

But does it really matter at the end of the day? if you could prove 100% which God is real where does Faith even factor in?

The only “God” we know to be Historically real is a man most know today as Jesus :youngsabo:

and that’s because he claimed to be.

Believing that takes an element of “faith” so all your studies get thrown out the window :francis:


Like I always say:

Lean not on your own understanding, breh. :hubie:

That’s what I do. :yeshrug:

My only inner quarrel is what’s Gods will with my life on a daily basis and trying to follow that. That’s what we all should be worried about :banderas:
 

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ok I get it now. I see what you believe/your religious perspective

Had to go back to the older thread from quotes were you made it more clear and spoke your true thoughts

1. You believe in Atenism. The Egyptian God that was supposed to be a monotheistic religion of 1 pharaoh

2. you believe Abrahamic religions are related because you can’t deny their scriptures/stories mentioning Egypt or the people of these religions who basically lived in the same region at the same time so you gotta make sense of it

3. you don’t believe in the God Yaweh. I’m assuming you think that is a evil God maybe the “devil” and this is the God moses and the children of Israel worshiped

4. you believe Jesus (despite being a Hebrew/and Jew by religion) is just misinterpreted as a remix of figures in ancient Egyptian/Greek mythological stories and he’s truly representing the “true” father God of Atenism (not Yaweh “evil” imposter God of Moses in the OT) so in that sense you accept him. Because otherwise you can’t explain him as a figure that existed and said/did the things he did similar to how Muslims are forced to “accept” Jesus

5. you don’t necessarily NOT believe in Islam but you accept parts of it. I figure you believe the same God of Atenism in Egypt is the one giving messages to Muhammad and the Arab people at the time as problematic/contradictory it may be you make it fit because you believe bits and parts of every religion

it’s the same tactic Muslims use to fit the parts of Judaism and Christianity they believe in that wasnt “corrupted” with what Muhammad or the Koran teaches.

That’s why you say “ Christianity isn’t the complete truth”

and neither is Islam or Buddhism, etc.... to you.

In your eyes ANYTHING that came after Atenism or Egyptian religion is not the complete truth

because you see Egypt/Africa as being the origin and root of everything

I’m assuming you being Black (African American) has a lot to do with this perspective which can be seen in similar teachings from NOI or the new Hebrew Israelite movement

so in a sense it’s nothing new

but the point of it is you quest to have all the answers or a definitive answer to the original question:

if we are all gods children and someone is born and dies without ever reading or hearing the gospel of Christ are you saying they are damned?

This is a question atheists often bring up.

it’s like saying “why do bad things happen to good/innocent people”

or “why does God allow evil or bad to happen”

Not knowing what happens to people who “haven’t heard Christ” or aren’t Christian has lead you down the “all paths lead to God” rabbit hole

and Egypt fits best your and checks off all your boxes of what a “perfect” religion is.

so that’s what you believe. Because you can’t accept not knowing.

Your quest to understand every religion on earth and fit them all into your personal perception of GOD is just a projection of your own internal quarrel for 100% literal truth from your studies and research that the God/religion you believe in “Atenism” is the correct one...... or more importantly Yaweh is NOT.

Because if he is then everything you believe about EGYPT changes. Literally your whole foundation crumbles and anything you believe based off it :whoo:

But does it really matter at the end of the day? if you could prove 100% which God is real where does Faith even factor in?

The only “God” we know to be Historically real is a man most know today as Jesus :youngsabo:

and that’s because he claimed to be.

Believing that takes an element of “faith” so all your studies get thrown out the window :francis:


Like I always say:

Lean not on your own understanding, breh. :hubie:

That’s what I do. :yeshrug:

My only inner quarrel is what’s Gods will with my life on a daily basis and trying to follow that. That’s what we all should be worried about :banderas:
A Yodh can be considered a point :mjlit:



Arcas - Wikipedia
Callisto was a nymph in the retinue of the goddess Artemis. As she would not be with anyone but Artemis, Zeus cunningly disguised himself as Artemis and seduced Callisto. The child resulting from their union was called Arcas.[9][10][11]

Hera became jealous, and in anger, she transformed Callisto into a bear. She would have done the same or worse to her son, but Zeus hid Arcas in an area of Greece, which would come to be called Arcadia, in his honor. Arcas was given into a care of one of the Pleiades, Maia.[12] There, Arcas safely lived until one day, during one of the court feasts held by king Lycaon (Arcas' maternal grandfather), Arcas was placed upon the burning altar as a sacrifice to the gods. He then said to Zeus, "If you think that you are so clever, make your son whole and un-harmed". Zeus became enraged and made Arcas whole and directed his anger toward Lycaon, turning him into the first werewolf.[13][14]

Then, Arcas became the new king of Arcadia and the country's greatest hunter. One day, when Arcas went hunting in the woods, he came across his mother. Seeing her son after so long, she went forth to embrace him. Not knowing that the bear was his mother, he went to kill her with an arrow. Zeus however, watching over them, stopped Arcas from shooting Callisto, and turned Arcas into a bear, then putting them into the stars. They are now referred to as Ursa Major and Ursa Minor, the big and little bears. When Hera heard of that, she became so angry that she asked Tethys to keep them in a certain place so that the constellations would never sink below the horizon and receive water.[15] Arcas’ bones were brought to Arcadia and buried near an altar dedicated to Hera under the directions of Delphic Oracle.

Maya (religion) - Wikipedia

The wise behold with their mind in their heart the Sun, made manifest by the illusion of the Asura;
The sages look into the solar orb, the ordainers desire the region of his rays.
The Sun bears the word in his mind; the Gandharva has spoken it within the wombs;
sages cherish it in the place of sacrifice, brilliant, heavenly, ruling the mind.
I beheld the protector, never descending, going by his paths to the east and the west;
clothing the quarters of the heaven and the intermediate spaces. He constantly revolves in the midst of the worlds.

Hebrews 12:28-29

28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

29 For our God is a consuming fire.
 
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A lot folks need to stop watching all these goofy movies.

Them shhiits be really messing with some off yall.

"Movies be predicting the future, and showing us, what the government finna do" :mjlol:
 
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Recently I saw something that convinced me that Jesus is a straight up fictional character. Like Batman.

Interesting that this thread has become a deep dive into mythology and religion

Myths are important if you can decode them and apply their meaning to reality. But beware taking a myth as literal truth.

Most of what we call historical facts are iffy (witness accounts of events with no good way to prove the statements of fact. No way to know what was destroyed to cover up events and what was edited for political reasons). To consume hard science you have to question every bit of it. To consume mythology you have to understand its not literally true at all, but metaphorical allegorical poetical truth. Like a love song is true even though the singer may not have actually been crying that day or whatever the song is literally saying.
 

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Recently I saw something that convinced me that Jesus is a straight up fictional character. Like Batman.

Interesting that this thread has become a deep dive into mythology and religion

Myths are important if you can decode them and apply their meaning to reality. But beware taking a myth as literal truth.

Most of what we call historical facts are iffy (witness accounts of events with no good way to prove the statements of fact. No way to know what was destroyed to cover up events and what was edited for political reasons). To consume hard science you have to question every bit of it. To consume mythology you have to understand its not literally true at all, but metaphorical allegorical poetical truth. Like a love song is true even though the singer may not have actually been crying that day or whatever the song is literally saying.
what determines if you are a real or fictional character?

say...you died and no one remembered you?
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 7:21-23 - King James Version

if everything on earth materially crumbles...and it becomes clear that no physical account of you truly exists. From what reference could anyone take that you existed at all :patrice:
 

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My eyes are opening...

Your body, your physical body is property. Yeah your soul belongs to god...but your body is the Devil's patent.

Our participation in this physical world (a simulation) is done by contract.

And we're somehow trapped in a wheel of reincarnation.
 
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My eyes are opening...

Your body, your physical body is property. Yeah your soul belongs to god...but your body is the Devil's patent.

Our participation in this physical world (a simulation) is done by contract.

And we're somehow trapped in a wheel of reincarnation.
you should read up on Shaivism
Lingam - Wikipedia

Lingam is an “outward symbol” of the “formless Reality”, the symbolization of merging of the form (Prakṛti) with the formless Reality (Purusha) in transcendental context.[4] It is typically the primary murti or devotional image in Hindu temples dedicated to Shiva, also found in smaller shrines, or as self-manifested natural objects.[5][6] It is often represented within a disc-shaped platform.[1][7] It is usually shown with yoni – its feminine counterpart.[8][9] Together, they symbolize the merging of microcosmos and macrocosmos,[9] the divine eternal process of creation and regeneration, and the union of the feminine and the masculine that recreates all of existence.

:banderas:
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We are living in a world of illusion
 
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Ok OP.

Language is real. You can google it. Language is also more than words. 70% of communication is non verbal (or something like that). Experts in interpersonal communication have estimated that nonverbal communication constitutes approximately 70 percent of what is involved in communication. In other words, only about 30 percent of communication involves the actual words that we use.

God is real. Cacs call him God. Scientifically we call him Energy. Islamically we call him Allah. You call him the essence and consciousness of the entirety of existence. Fine. You're correct.


Optimism/Pessimism
You got it.
Learn to just go with the flow. Be like water. All that bruce lee shyt. Dont be having too much expectations for people/situations try and just do what you can and be content with the outcome
 

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Recently I saw something that convinced me that Jesus is a straight up fictional character. Like Batman.

Interesting that this thread has become a deep dive into mythology and religion

Myths are important if you can decode them and apply their meaning to reality. But beware taking a myth as literal truth.

Most of what we call historical facts are iffy (witness accounts of events with no good way to prove the statements of fact. No way to know what was destroyed to cover up events and what was edited for political reasons). To consume hard science you have to question every bit of it. To consume mythology you have to understand its not literally true at all, but metaphorical allegorical poetical truth. Like a love song is true even though the singer may not have actually been crying that day or whatever the song is literally saying.

what was it you saw?
 

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speaking of muddled shapeless masses
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what do you think the chinese are referring to when talking about the Hundun?
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A gorem—duh.

you posted this before, but I couldn't help but notice the parallel...why do you assume man was created imperfect if Genesis 1 implies otherwise
The phrase טוֹב מְאֹד ṭov mʾod does not imply perfection. Neither man nor his environment were ever 'perfect'; both were created imperfect so that man himself could also play a part in creation: this is what we call in Hebrew תִּקּוּן עוֹלָם tiqqun ʿolom (perfecting the world), a concept that is mentioned explicitly in ʿOleinu L'shabbéah—one of the very oldest passages in our formal prayer-liturgy (whose composition is attributed to Moshah Rabbenu's successor, Y'hoshuʿa bin Nun, our second greatest leader ever after Moshah, D'vorim 34:10).
עָלֵינוּ לְשַׁבֵּחַ לַאֲדוֹן־הַכֹּל לָתֵת גְּדֻלָּה לְיוֹצֵר בְּרֵאשִׁית
שֶׁלֹּא־עָשָׂנוּ כְּגוֹיֵי הָאֲרָצוֹת וְלֹא־שָׂמָנוּ כְּמִשְׁפְּחוֹת הָאֲדָמָה
שֶׁלֹּא־שָׂם חֶלְקֵנוּ כָּהֶם וְגוֹרָלֵנוּ כְּכָל הֲמוֹנָם
שֶׁהֵם מִשְׁתַּחֲוִים לְהֶבֶל וָרִיק וּמִתְפַּלְלְים אֶל־אֵל לֹא יוֹשִׁיעַ
וַאֲנַחְנוּ כּוֹרְעִים וּמִשְׁתַּחֲוִים וּמוֹדִים לִפְנֵי מֶלֶךְ מַלְכֵי־הַמְּלָכִים הַקָּדוֹשׁ בָּרוּךְ הוּא
שֶׁהוּא נוֹטֶה שָׁמַיִם וְיוֹסֵד אָרֶץ
וְכִסֵּא כְבוֹדוֹ בַּשָּׁמַיִם מִמַּעַל
.וּשְׁכִינַת־עֻזּוֹ בְּגָבְהֵי מְרוֹמִים
!הוּא אֱלֹקֵינוּ, אֵין עוֹד—אֱמֶת מַלְכֵּנוּ, אֶפֶס זוּלָתוֹ
:כַּכָּתוּב בְּתוֹרָתוֹ
וְיָדַעְתָּ הַיּוֹם וַהֲשֵׁבֹתָ אֶל־לְבָבֶךָ"
כִּי ה' הוּא הָאֱלֹקִים
בַּשָּׁמַיִם מִמַּעַל וְעַל־הָאָרֶץ מִתָּחַת
אֵין עוֹד"׃
וְעַל־כֵּן נְקַוֶּה לְּךָ ה' אֱלֹקֵינוּ
לְרְאוֹת מְהֵרָה בְּתִפְאֶרֶת עֻזֶּךָ
לְהַעֲבִיר גִּלּוּלִים מִן־הָאָרֶץ וְהָאֱלִילִים כָּרוֹת יִכָּרֵתוּן
לְתַקֵּן עוֹלָם בְּמַלְכוּת שַׁדַּי
וְכָל־בְּנֵי־בָשָׂר יִקְרְאוּ בִשְׁמֶךָ
.לְהַפְנוֹת אֵלֶיךָ כָּל־רִשְׁעֵי אָרֶץ
יַכִּירוּ וְיֵדְעוּ כָּל־יוֹשְׁבֵי תֵבֵל
.כִּי לְךָ תִּכְרַע כָּל־בֶּרֶךְ תִּשָׁבַע כָּל־לָשׁוֹן
לְפָנֶיךָ ה' אֱלֹקֵינוּ יְכְרְעוּ וְיִפֹּלוּ
וְלִכְבוֹד שִׁמְךָ יְקָר יִתֵּנוּ
וִיקַבְּלוּ כֻלָּם אֶת־עֹל מַלְכוּתֶךָ
וְתִמְלֹךְ עֲלֵיהֶם מְהֵרָה לְעוֹלָם וָעֶד
כִּי הַמַּלְכוּת שֶׁלְּךָ הִיא
וּלְעוֹלְמֵי־עַד תִּמְלֹךְ בְּכָבוֹד
כַּכָּתוּב בְּתוֹרָתֶךָ: "ה' ׀ יִמְלֹךְ לְעֹלָם וָעֶד"׃​

We have an obligation to praise the ʾAdon of All and to attribute greatness to Him Who performed the Creation
Because He did not make us like the nations of the [other] lands or our lot like all their multitudes—
For they worship vain and empty [things] and pray to 'gods' who cannot save,
While we kneel and worship and give thanks before the King of the kings of kings, Haqqodosh Boruch Huʾ!
Who stretches out the skies and lays the Earth's foundations,
The Throne of Whose glory is in Heaven above
And Whose might's abode is in the loftiest heights.
He is our ʾAlohim—there is no-one else; indeed, He is our King—there is no-one apart from Him!
As it is written in His Torah:
"You must know this today and consider it in your mind [lit., 'in your heart']
That Hashem is the ʾAlohim [i.e., 'THE God']
In Heaven above and on the Earth below—
There is no-one else!" (D'vorim 4:39)
We therefore hope for You, Hashem our ʾAlohim,
To see quickly the splendor of Your might;
When You sweep away gillulim from the Earth and the ʾalilim are completely excised,
When the World is perfected (l'thaqqen ʿolom) in Shaddai's Kingdom
And all living people will cry out in Your Name,
When You will turn all the r'shoʿim of the Earth to Yourself.
All the inhabitants of the World will then recognize and realize
That every knee must kneel and every tongue must swear to You.
Before You, Hashem our ʾAlohim, they will kneel and fall down;
They will give honor to the glory of Your Name,
And [then,] when all of them accept Your Kingdom's burden,
You will reign over them for all eternity.
For the Kingdom—it is Yours
And You will reign in glory forevermore;
As it is written in Your Torah: "Hashem will reign for all eternity!" (Sh'moth 15:18)


And King Sh'lomoh writes in M'gillath Qohalath what is obvious on the basis of pure logic alone, that
כִּי אָדָם אֵין צַדִּיק בָּאָרֶץ אֲשֶׁר יַעֲשֶׂה־טּוֹב וְלֹא יֶחֱטָא׃​

There is no man in the World who is so perfect that he does only good and never errs even once. (Qohalath 7:20)

Qohalath
further tells us (in his closing two verses) that
:סוֹף דָּבָר הַכֹּל נִשְׁמָע אֶת־הָאֱלֹקִים יְרָא וְאֶת־מִצְוֺתָיו שְׁמוֹר כִּי־זֶה כָּל־הָאָדָם: כִּי אֶת־כָּל־מַעֲשֶׂה הָאֱלֹקִים יָבִא בְמִשְׁפָּט עַל כָּל־נֶעְלָם אִם־טוֹב וְאִם־רָע​

This is the bottom line, all things having been considered: the whole purpose of Man is to respect the ʾAlohim and obey His misswoth; because the ʾAlohim will bring each one of a man's actions to judgement, including those performed in secret, to determine if they were rightful or wrongful. (Qohalath 12:13-14)
The implication here is that a person receives an individual reward for each 'rightful' (טוֹב ṭov) action and suffers an individual punishment for each 'wrongful' (רַע raʿ) action. The words טוֹב ṭov 'good' and רַע raʿ 'bad'—or equivalently צַדִּיק ssaddiq 'righteous' and רָשָׁע roshoʿ 'wicked'—should not be considered as absolutes but rather as contrasting terms or relative concepts. On the other hand, we also find the term ssaddiq being used to describe a person like No'ah (B'reshιth 6:9) who is תָּמִים tomim 'perfect' or like ʾIyyovIyyov 1:1) who is תָּם וְיָשָׁר tom w'yoshor ('perfect and upright'); but these terms are used in a relative sense, for it is recognized that man is liable to err and go astray and hence fallible. Indeed, Sh'lomoh tells us that there is not a man in the World who is such a ssaddiq that he never errs.

Why does noone question the two creation stories in Genesis
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There are three iterations of the creation narrative, but only one sequence of events:
(i) the Tanach begins with a description (B'reshιth 1:1-2:3) of the origins of the Creation in general and the Earth in particular (which is couched in layman's terms so that it would be intelligible even to the totally uneducated, and was never intended to be a scientifically precise account of exactly what occurred and how it was accomplished), culminating in the creation of the ʾadam (B'reshιth 1:27);

(ii) this is followed by a more detailed explanation of how the ʾadam appeared on Earth (B'reshιth 2:4-4:26), which enlarges upon the bald statements in B'reshιth 1:26-27 that Hashem, after having consulted with His 'tribunal' of angels, "had created the ʾadam with a particular form that had been specifically designed for it by Him and had originally made them male and female [in the same body—a composite androgyne]", later separating the two parts into independent beings (B'reshιth 2:21-22), the ʾadam and havvah (B'reshιth 3:20); and then,

(iii) in B'reshιth 5:1-2, the text repeats what is stated in B'reshιth 1:27 in almost the same words but then zooms in on the family of just one individual (the 'ʾAdam' who was introduced briefly in B'reshιth 4:25, where the creation narrative in reference to the primitive ʾadam—a generalized, unnamed individual—morphs seamlessly into a record of the first three generations of the man who is named ʾAdam) from whom ʾAvrom (later called ʾAvrohom, see B'reshιth 17:5) and eventually the Jewish nation were descended, for the whole of the narrative that follows does nothing but trace the fortunes of that one family and the Yisrʾeli nation they eventually became.
In regard to commentary on the subject: רַב שִׁמְשׁוֹן רְפָאֵל הִירְשׁ ,רַב אַרְיֵה לֵוִין, and רַב יוֹסֵף דֹּב הַלֵּוִי סוֹלוֹבֵייְצִיק - to mention just a few.

We are allowed, and even expected, to question everything other than the Ramba"m's שְׁלֹשָׁה עָשָׂר עִקָּרִים 'Thirteen Principles':
א. אֲנִי מַאֲמִין בֶּאֱמוּנָה שְׁלֵמָה שֶׁהַבּוֹרֵא יִתְבָּרַךְ שְׁמוֹ הוּא בּוֹרֵא וּמַנְהִיג לְכָל הַבְּרוּאִים, וְהוּא לְבַדּוֹ עָשָׂה עוֹשֶׂה וְיַעֲשֶׂה לְכָל הַמַּעֲשִׂים׃​
1. I firmly believe that the Creator – may His Name be blessed – is the Creator and the Guide of everything that has been created, and that He alone made, makes, and will make all things.

ב. אֲנִי מַאֲמִין בֶּאֱמוּנָה שְׁלֵמָה שֶׁהַבּוֹרֵא יִתְבָּרַךְ שְׁמוֹ הוּא יָחִיד וְאֵין יְחִידוּת כָּמֹֽהוּ בּשׁוּם פָּנִים, וְהוּא לְבַדּוֹ אֱלֹקֵינוּ – הָיָה, הֹוֶה, וְיִהְיֶה׃​
2. I firmly believe that the Creator – may His Name be blessed – is a 'Oneness' and that there is no other 'Oneness' of any kind like Him, and that He alone is our ʾAlohim who was, who is, and who will be.

ג. אֲנִי מַאֲמִין בֶּאֱמוּנָה שְׁלֵמָה שֶׁהַבּוֹרֵא יִתְבָּרַךְ שְׁמוֹ אֵינוֹ גוּף וְלֹא יַשִּׂיגֻהוּ מַשִּׂיגֵי הַגּוּף, וְאֵין לוֹ שׁוּם דִּמְיוֹן כְּלָל׃​
3. I firmly believe that the Creator – may His Name be blessed – is not a physical body and that He is not subject to any physical occurrences, and that He does not have any form at all.

ד. אֲנִי מַאֲמִין בֶּאֱמוּנָה שְׁלֵמָה שֶׁהַבּוֹרֵא יִתְבָּרַךְ שְׁמוֹ הוּא רִאשׁוֹן וְהוּא אַחֲרוֹן׃​
4. I firmly believe that the Creator – may His Name be blessed – is the First and the Last.

ה. אֲנִי מַאֲמִין בֶּאֱמוּנָה שְׁלֵמָה שֶׁהַבּוֹרֵא יִתְבָּרַךְ שְׁמוֹ לוֹ לְבַדּוֹ רָאוּי לְהִתְפַּלֵּל, וְאֵין רָאוּי לְהִתְפַּלֵּל לְזוּלָתוֹ׃​
5. I firmly believe that it is only proper to pray to the Creator – may His Name be blessed – alone, and that it is not proper to pray to anyone [or, 'anything'] else.

ו. אֲנִי מַאֲמִין בֶּאֱמוּנָה שְׁלֵמָה שֶׁכָּל דִּבְרֵי נְבִיאִים אֱמֶת׃​
6. I firmly believe that all the n'viʾim's words are true.

ז. אֲנִי מַאֲמִין בֶּאֱמוּנָה שְׁלֵמָה שֶׁנְּבוּאַת מֹשֶׁה רַבֵּנוּ עָלָיו הַשָּׁלוֹם הָיְתָה אֲמִתִּית, וְשֶׁהוּא הָיָה אָב לַנְּבִיאִים לַקּוֹדְמִים לְפָנָיו וְלַבָּאִים אַחֲרָיו׃​
7. I firmly believe that the n'vuʾoh of Moshah Rabbenu – may peace be upon him – was true, and that he was the chief of all the n'viʾim, both of those who preceded him [i.e., all three of the patriarchs ʾAvrohom, Yisshoq and Yaʿaqov] and of those who followed him.

ח. אֲנִי מַאֲמִין בֶּאֱמוּנָה שְׁלֵמָה שֶׁכָּל הַתּוֹרָה הַמְּצוּיָה עַתָּה בְּיָדֵינוּ הִיא הַנְּתוּנָה לְמֹשֶׁה רַבֵּנוּ עָלָיו הַשָּׁלוֹם׃​
8. I firmly believe that the entire Torah that is now in our possession is the same as that which was given to Moshah Rabbenu – may peace be upon him.

ט. אֲנִי מַאֲמִין בֶּאֱמוּנָה שְׁלֵמָה שֶׁזֹּאת הַתּוֹרָה לֹא תְהֵא מֻחְלֶפֶת וְלֹא תְהֵא תּוֹרָה אֲחֶרֶת מֵאֵת הַבּוֹרֵא יִתְבָּרַךְ שְׁמוֹ׃​
9. I firmly believe that this Torah will never be changed and that there will never be any other Torah from the Creator – may His Name be blessed.

י. אֲנִי מַאֲמִין בֶּאֱמוּנָה שְׁלֵמָה שֶׁהַבּוֹרֵא יִתְבָּרַךְ שְׁמוֹ יוֹדֵעַ כָּל מַעֲשֵׂה בְנֵי אָדָם וְכָל מַחְשְׁבוֹתָם, שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר: "הַיֹּצֵר יַחַד לִבָּם הַמֵּבִין אֶל־כָּל־מַעֲשֵׂיהֶם"׃​
10. I firmly believe that the Creator – may His Name be blessed – knows all of a human being's actions and all of his thoughts, as it is written: "...Who forms their hearts together, Who understands all their actions." (T'hillim 33:15)

יא. אֲנִי מַאֲמִין בֶּאֱמוּנָה שְׁלֵמָה שֶׁהַבּוֹרֵא יִתְבָּרַךְ שְׁמוֹ גּוֹמֵל טוֹב לְשׁוֹמְרֵי מִצְוֺתָיו וּמַעֲנִישׁ לְעוֹבְרֵי מִצְוֺתָיו׃​
11. I firmly believe that the Creator – may His Name be blessed – rewards those who keep His misswoth and punishes those who violate His misswoth.

יב. אֲנִי מַאֲמִין בֶּאֱמוּנָה שְׁלֵמָה בְּבִיאַת הַמָּשִׁיחַ, וְאַף־עַל־פִּי שֶׁיִּתְמַהְמֵהַּ עִם־כָּל־זֶה אַחֲכֶּה לּוֹ בְּכָל יוֹם שֶׁיָּבוֹא׃​
12. I firmly believe in the coming of the Moshiyah and, although he is delayed, even so I will still anticipate his arrival each and every day.

יג. אֲנִי מַאֲמִין בֶּאֱמוּנָה שְׁלֵמָה שֶׁתִּהְיֶה תְּחִיַּת הַמֵּתִים בְּעֵת שֶׁיַּעֲלֶה רָצוֹן מֵאֵת הַבּוֹרֵא יִתְבָּרַךְ שְׁמוֹ וְיִתְעֲלֶּה זִכְרוֹ לָעַד וּלְנֵצַח נְצָחִים׃​
13. I firmly believe that there will be a t'hiyyath ha-methim ['resurrection of the dead'] at such a time that will please the Creator – may His Name be blessed and may His memory be exalted forever and to all eternity!
The formula -אֲנִי מַאֲמִין בֶּאֱמוּנָה שְׁלֵמָה שֶׁ ʾani maʾamin baʾamunoh sh'lemoh sha- which introduces each of the 'Principles' is conventionally translated verbatim as 'I believe with perfect faith that...'—I have rendered this using the more colloquial 'I firmly believe that...'
 
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I kinda wanna dive into this thread but it's not a tight enough focus.

What I will say is that the movie and mythos, while obviously 'fictional' serves a far greater purpose than even philosophical debate. There is a source code and you most certainly CAN learn to track it in ways that make reality look and feel plastic as fukk, because it really is.

If you watch the first movie, pay attention to how Neo incrementally expanded the boundaries of his belief (faith) WITH CURIOSITY. Until you understand how to get really, curious and playful with this shyt ('childlike in the eyes of god'), learn to ask open ended questions, drop assumptions, judgments and even 'logic' where appropriate you won't 'get it', intellect can only take you so far.
 

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nice video. I’ve seen stuff about string theory like this before.....

But like I said all these theories is great to think about. I’m sure you have a highly intelligent understanding of science and the universe

but basic understanding of the Bible and Judaism/Christianity you seem confused :hubie:

But maybe it’s a issue of faith :yeshrug:

Yodh can be whatever you believe it to be at the end of the day :usure:
 
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nice video. I’ve seen stuff about string theory like this before.....

But like I said all these theories is great to think about. I’m sure you have a highly intelligent understanding of science and the universe

but basic understanding of the Bible and Judaism/Christianity you seem confused :hubie:

But maybe it’s a issue of faith :yeshrug:

Yodh can be whatever you believe it to be at the end of the day :usure:
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