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Law states that perception is a concept to make sense of what you believe to be reality.We are not capable of making any distinction without it , we are not able to perceive anything without the mind "translating" energy into thought, therefore you never see the true nature of things but a concept of what your mind can translate into thought which shapes your reality. There is no world outside of your perception since it would not make sense to your mind without that data being turned into a concept your mind can process,the "you" is a concept shaped by Law ,a momentary frame of order on its way to entropy,all things in this universe follow this Law.It's not about questioning, believing or understanding,you must follow Law to be of this plane,the illusion is your mind itself.
 
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Law states that perception is a concept to make sense of what you believe to be reality.When you are not capable of making any distinction without it , we are not able to perceive anything without the mind "translating" energy into thought, therefore you never see the true nature of things but a concept of what your mind can translate into thought which shapes your reality. There is no world outside of your perception since it would not make sense to your mind without that data being turned into a concept your mind can process,the "you" is a concept shaped by Law ,a momentary frame of order on its way to entropy,all things in this universe follow this Law,it's not question of believing or understanding,you must follow Law to be of this plane,the illusion is your mind itself.
you would enjoy reading about brahmanism

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the drop represents your perceived world, the ocean brahman

similar to the concept of Atum and Ptah-Nun in Egypt (the outside waters are a reflection of the inner waters of Atum...see the "eyes" above)
the only issue i have with this, is why assume disorder? :jbhmm:

when all around us is divine order? :wow:
 
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you would enjoy reading about brahmanism

1280px-Wassertropfen.jpg

the drop represents your perceived world, the ocean brahman

similar to the concept of Atum and Ptah-Nun in Egypt (the outside waters are a reflection of the inner waters of Atum...see the "eyes" above)
the only issue i have with this, is why assume disorder? :jbhmm:

when all around us is divine order? :wow:

Thanks for this,I definitely will read up. Entropy is an inevitable end result of all matter, the concentric shapes in the picture you added tell the story perfectly. We perceive order as a natural state of things when what we actually witness is entropy at work, simply cause the concept of what we call disorder/entropy can't be translated enough to make sense of our perception we see it as an opposite when it's just another state of existence on this plane,we are temporary which means we are entropy in essence we just can't fathom disorder as a concept were we cease to be the drop falling into in the water and become the ocean itself.

These conversations are why I am here,so again thank you for engaging and pointing me towards knowledge.
 
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Thanks for this,I definitely will read up. Entropy is an inevitable end result of all matter, the concentric shapes in the picture you added tell the story perfectly. We perceive order as a natural state of things when what we actually witness is entropy at work, simply cause the concept of what we call disorder/entropy can't be translated enough to make sense of our perception we see it as an opposite when it's just another state of existence on this plane,we are temporary which means we are entropy in essence we just can't fathom disorder as a concept were we cease to be the drop falling into in the water and become the ocean itself.

These conversations are why I am here,so again thank you for engaging and pointing me towards knowledge.
if you scroll up you can see that symbolism in the new moon (reflection of the universe) and the pupil

a similar relationship :wow:
 

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Hundun - Wikipedia

"You have only to rest in inaction and things will transform themselves. Smash your form and body, spit out hearing and eyesight, forget you are a thing among other things, and you may join in great unity with the deep and boundless. Undo the mind, slough off spirit, be blank and soulless, and the ten thousand things one by one will return to the root – return to the root and not know why. Dark and undifferentiated chaos – to the end of life none will depart from it. But if you try to know it, you have already departed from it. Do not ask what its name is, do not try to observe its form. Things will live naturally and of themselves."

"He is one of those bogus practitioners of the arts of Mr. Chaos. He knows the first thing but doesn't understand the second. He looks after what is on the inside but doesn't look after what is on the outside. A man of true brightness and purity who can enter into simplicity, who can return to the primitive through inaction, give body to his inborn nature, and embrace his spirit, and in this way wander through the everyday world – if you had met one like that, you would have had real cause for astonishment. As for the arts of Mr. Chaos, you and I need not bother to find out about them."

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Heaven and earth were perfectly joined [tung-t'ung 洞同], all was chaotically unformed [hun-tun wei p'u 渾沌為樸]; and things were complete [ch'eng 成] yet not created. This is called [the time or condition] of the Great One. [t'ai-i 太一]. All came from this unity which gave to each thing its differences: the birds, fish, and beasts. This is called the lot [or division, fen 分] of things.

There was a Primal Simplicity, there was a Primal Commencement, there were Primal Beginnings, there was a Primal Material. The Primal Simplicity preceded the appearance of the breath. The Primal Beginnings were the breath beginning to assume shape. The Primal Material was the breath when it began to assume substance. Breath, shape and substance were complete, but things were not yet separated from each other; hence the name "Confusion." "Confusion" means the myriad things were confounded and not yet separated from each other.

It has eyes but can't see, walks without moving; and has two ears but can't hear. It has the knowledge of a man yet its belly is without the five internal organs and, although having a rectum, it doesn't evacuate food. It punches virtuous men and stays with the non-virtuous. It is called. Hun-tun.

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 2 - King James Version

Quoting the Zuo zhuan, Hun-tun was Meng-shih's untalented son. He always gnaws his tail, going round and round. Everyone ridiculed him.

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Genesis 1-2 In Light Of Ancient Egyptian Creation Myths | Bible.org

For the record:

Ancient holy books and other mythology are not textbooks in my opinion

The Brehs that are breaking the Bible down to the last molecule seem to be on totally different time than me.

To me anything that is known through rumors and folklore is subject to be a falsehood. Therefore the folklore has to pass the science and logic test before you can call it real


Those who believe just because their grandma taught it to them..

Those people are the main ones who are operating off of falsehoods

Mythology CAN BE some form of scientific observation. But to me you have to take the myth and run it through your modern investigative experimental process. And be ready to call bullshyt really fast

:jbhmm:

Revelation 13:11-12

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
 
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speaking of muddled shapeless masses :troll:

what do you think the chinese are referring to when talking about the Hundun? :jbhmm: (see above)

I think you might have been attempting humor when you wrote that but, if you were not, I refer you to Marcus Jastrow's Dictionary of the Targumim, Talmud Babli, Talmud Yerushalmi and Midrashic Literature (page 222, column 1) where the word גּוֹלֶם is defined as:
rolled up, shapeless mass, whence
1) lump, a shapeless or lifeless substance.
2) unfinished matter, wanting finishing, opp. פשוט plain surface, forming no receptacle.
3) body.

because Man, having been intentionally created imperfect, cannot exist in an environment based on justice alone.

you posted this before, but I couldn't help but notice the parallel...why do you assume man was created imperfect if Genesis 1 implies otherwise
could the philosophy around diet be the source of all issues :jbhmm: who is Meng Shih if Huntun is his son? :dwillhuh:

Why does noone question the two creation stories in Genesis :patrice:
 

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@LevelUp this wiki is for you :therethere:
Iamblichus - Wikipedia

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Between the two worlds, at once separating and uniting them, some scholars think there was inserted by Iamblichus, as was afterwards by Proclus, a third sphere partaking of the nature of both. But this supposition depends on a merely conjectural emendation of the text. We read, however, that in the intellectual triad he assigned the third rank to the Demiurge.[11] The Demiurge, the Platonic creator-god, is thus identified with the perfected nous, the intellectual triad being increased to a hebdomad. The identification of nous with the Demiurge is a significant moment in the Neoplatonic tradition and its adoption into and development within the Christian tradition. St. Augustine follows Plotinus by identifying nous, which bears the logos, with the creative principle. Whereas the Hellenes call that principle the Demiurge, Augustine identifies the activity and content of that principle as belonging to one of the three aspects of the Divine Trinity—the Son, who is the Word (logos). Iamblichus and Plotinus commonly assert that nous produced nature by mediation of the intellect, so here the intelligible gods are followed by a triad of psychic gods.

The first of these "psychic gods" is incommunicable and supramundane, while the other two seem to be mundane, though rational. In the third class, or mundane gods, there is a still greater wealth of divinities, of various local position, function, and rank. Iamblichus wrote of gods, angels, demons and heroes, of twelve heavenly gods whose number is increased to thirty-six or three hundred and sixty, and of seventy-two other gods proceeding from them, of twenty-one chiefs and forty-two nature-gods, besides guardian divinities, of particular individuals and nations. The realm of divinities stretched from the original One down to material nature itself, where soul in fact descended into matter and became "embodied" as human beings. Basically, Iamblichus greatly multiplied the ranks of being and divine entities in the universe, the number at each level relating to various mathematical proportions. The world is thus peopled by a crowd of superhuman beings influencing natural events and possessing and communicating knowledge of the future, and who are all accessible to prayers and offerings.

The whole of Iamblichus's complex theory is ruled by a mathematical formalism of triad, hebdomad, etc., while the first principle is identified with the monad, dyad and triad; symbolic meanings being also assigned to the other numbers. The theorems of mathematics, he says, apply absolutely to all things, from things divine to original matter. But though he subjects all things to number, he holds elsewhere that numbers are independent existences, and occupy a middle place between the limited and unlimited.

Another difficulty of the system is the account given of nature. It is said to be bound by the indissoluble chains of necessity called fate, and is distinguished from divine things that are not subject to fate. Yet, being itself the result of higher powers becoming corporeal, a continual stream of elevating influence flows from them to it, interfering with its necessary laws and turning to good ends the imperfect and evil. Of evil no satisfactory account is given; it is said to have been generated accidentally in the conflict between the finite and the infinite.

@Ghost Utmost this man Iamblichus believed in a version of Gnosticism (Neo-Platonism) that revolves purely around numbers and mathematics :jbhmm: he might believe in a matrix given he believes numbers are deified


my concern is why Platonists assume intellect and knowledge is considered the highest principle...when in truth it is just confusion without perception (IE a means of deciphering). Ideas that take on a life of themselves...legendary faceless creatures :mjpls:

Isaiah 44:16-18
16 He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire:

17 And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.

18 They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.
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I finally found out what @MMS believes in :ooh:

perennial philosophy :youngsabo:

a perspective in philosophy and spirituality that views all of the world's religious traditions as sharing a single, metaphysical truth or origin from which all esoteric and exoteric knowledge and doctrine ...

Am I right? :steviej:
 

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I finally found out what @MMS believes in :ooh:

perennial philosophy :youngsabo:

a perspective in philosophy and spirituality that views all of the world's religious traditions as sharing a single, metaphysical truth or origin from which all esoteric and exoteric knowledge and doctrine ...

Am I right? :steviej:
I believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob :ehh:

that hundred hits post still hittin :wow: got it bookmarked for listening purposes

1 Corinthians 3:6-8

6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
 
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and the God of Pharaoh, Buddha, Muhammad, etc... :snoop:

I still recall you saying that Yaweh is really the pagan God Molech :youngsabo:

you thought I forgot? :leon:

God doesn't desire sacrifice. But wicked men do.

Psalm 40:5-6
5 Many, O Lord my God, are thy wonderful works which thou hast done, and thy thoughts which are to us-ward: they cannot be reckoned up in order unto thee: if I would declare and speak of them, they are more than can be numbered.

6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.

why do you insist on asking me what i believe? is it not just a projection of your own internal quarrel?

if you dont trust what i say, just say that. Scripture is scripture :ehh:

did you ever speak to a Rabbi? :troll:

EDIT - Buddha may have been atheist for all i know. In that world, they believe much of what we see is illusion :yayo:i dont subscribe to that
 
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God doesn't desire sacrifice. But wicked men do.

Psalm 40:5-6


why do you insist on asking me what i believe? is it not just a projection of your own internal quarrel?

if you dont trust what i say, just say that. Scripture is scripture :ehh:

did you ever speak to a Rabbi? :troll:

EDIT - Buddha may have been atheist for all i know. In that world, they believe much of what we see is illusion :yayo:i dont subscribe to that

so you let this one small piece of the Bible shape your entire view of religious and let it be the lens which you judge everything :what:

maybe you don’t understand the story or are interpreting it wrong?

I’m not worried about what you believe, I’m just trying to understand why you believe what you do since you seem very educated and knowledgeable about different religions especially the Bible but with all that knowledge you contradict yourself and say “stupid” things every now and then :what:

I just assume you are trolling or deflecting on purpose as not to belittle me or anyone else and act humble :manny:

I refuse to believe you can be so mislead and well versed and intelligent at the same time :mindblown:

kinda like how I view some of the Muslim scholars and Hebrew Isrealites I see on YouTube :banderas:

Which reminds me, i need to drop some ether in that Hebrew isrealite thread i just thought of :mjlit:
 
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so you let this one small piece of the Bible shape your entire view of religious and let it be the lens which you judge everything :what:

maybe you don’t understand the story or are interpreting it wrong?

I’m not worried about what you believe, I’m just trying to understand why you believe what you do since you seem very educated and knowledgeable about different religions especially the Bible but with all that knowledge you contradict yourself and say “stupid” things every now and then :what:

I just assume you are trolling or deflecting on purpose as not to belittle me or anyone else and act humble :manny:

I refuse to believe you can be so mislead and well versed and intelligent at the same time :mindblown:

kinda like how I view some of the Muslim scholars and Hebrew Isrealites I see on YouTube :banderas:

Which reminds me, i need to drop some ether in that Hebrew isrealite thread i just thought of :mjlit:
Romans 3:3-4

3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Gematria value of the i in the o is 334 - English, Hebrew and Simple Gematria Calculator Values

We are living in a world of illusion

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I love the Matrix because of its philosophical themes

One of them is the idea that you're living in a dreamworld. A world of Illusion.

People take this "literally" (from the POV of the movie characters) and wonder if we are living in a computer simulation. We're not.

But we are living in a world of illusion. And just like in the Matrix the truth is not very far from where you are now, but it will fukc your head up.

Get out of here now if you are a Blue Pill Breh. Enjoy your digital steak without knowing the real.

Here are a few layers of programming you need to free your head from

Language:

the natural human is born without it. It's very handy, but is totally imaginary and very misleading if you think language is real.

Try to look at a billboard without reading the words. Impossible.

Simply put. A label can oversimplify a real object. If you label a person a terrorist, you've closed the door on him being a hero, a freedom fighter, a martyr. Depending on what side you're on, one side's thief is another side's Robin Hood. Any one object is really countless parts that could be considered their own object. Or. Any single object is really a part of larger and larger "wholes". A countless number.

Numbers and words are completely imaginary, but very useful to exchange important information. And now most words carry unimportant info and misinformation.

Dogma:

Lots of people BELIEVE in G-d. The only reason why is they were taught to by their parents. If you never heard of any religion before you were like 20 years old you would laugh your ass off at the things they portray as truth. I even know better than most of it, yet I can't shake the feeling of an angry G-d ready to destroy me. I think G-d is real but its not a humanoid in the sky. Its the essence and.consciousness of the entirety of existence. The One that everything else adds up to.

Myths are fine, but really examine The things people tell you. If it doesn't make sense then it was likely added for the purpose of manipulating the congregation and collecting money, not true wisdom

Optimism/Pessimism

Your expectation is what really controls how you feel. If you expect to be treated as an important person, but you get treated like regular people - you may be upset. If you already know you're not special then you're fine with normal.

To approach every situation as if its gonna go your way - optimism - is just setting yourself up for disappointment. A significant percent of the time.

Same with pessimism. You end up being surprised.when it works out, but.you spend the whole day before.the interview feeling terrible. So you're still adding bad vibes to everyday processes.

Things will neither always go well nor always go bad. So the permagrin or permafrown is just extra. You should know the odds and try your best but don't decide what the outcome will be before you see the outcome

about 20 years ago somebody said something similar to this post. The more i thought, the more i realized something ain't right.The main reason they wanted everyone back to work during the pandemic because with enough time.. You can figure out that most of the shyt we do is just because.. It's crazy because i said "if everyone stopped paying their student loans what would happen? People said bad credit.. Then who gonna buy houses? you think some nikka that works at target buying a house?
 
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