We all thought Libya had moved on – it has, but into lawlessness and ruin

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shyt is disgusting, and the same thing is about to happen to Syria :snoop:

:smh: at bombing a country and then going "it's your problem now" :wtf:

This is typical though, the US spends money on bombs and arms going to war against a country under the guise of helping the people.
A small town in Sweden took in more Iraq refugees than the whole USA during the last war.
 

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Libya Goes for Broke
The economic paradox of Libya: It’s rich, but it’s bankrupt.

You wanna play this game with me fukk boy?

‘Life for most Libyans is worse than it was under Gaddafi’

RT: There was a recent car bomb attack on the French embassy, one American ambassador was killed. Militias are blocking access to embassies. What’s the international community doing to curb these incidents?

MA: Well this is basically a dilemma they can’t really resolve. After all, by bombing Libya, they helped to create a situation where armed groups came to power and certainly have local domination. And there are of course groups that may be welcoming NATO bombers but are in fact quite serious anti-Western Muslim fundamentalist groups. So they don’t regard necessarily the continued presence of western embassies, the British, French, or American ones, as something that they’d like to see in a liberated - as they would see it - Libya.

Wow you mean the people who we helped put in power don't like us?!

RT: Just two years ago, the UK lobbied for military intervention in Libya. Was that a good decision?

MA: I think it was a terrible decision. I’m afraid if Colonel Gaddafi had suppressed the opposition in March 2011, possibly hundreds of people would have died. Perhaps as many as 30,000 have died since, and the country is in a deep state of disorder and uncertainty. Life for most Libyans is worse than it was under Colonel Gaddafi. And of course Gaddafi’s regime was supposed by the Western countries to be the bad regime. Anything must be better, we were told. But now we see that it’s not so clear.

http://rt.com/op-edge/withdraw-staff-libya-gaddafi-158/

I dont know if you're a troll or just dumber than a box of rocks. Call it growing pains or whatever the hell you want but these people are not better off....OH I did ask my Libyan friends and they said things were much better under Gaddafi. And this is coming from people well into their 40's who lived under Gaddafi rule most of their life, people who are too scared to go home because they might get killed.

Im not saying Gaddafi was the greatest guy ever. What I am saying, AND PLEASE READ THIS NEXT PART SLOWLY, is that Libya is worse off now than before. and they are massacring blacks as well.

 

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You wanna play this game with me fukk boy?

‘Life for most Libyans is worse than it was under Gaddafi’



Wow you mean the people who we helped put in power don't like us?!



http://rt.com/op-edge/withdraw-staff-libya-gaddafi-158/

I dont know if you're a troll or just dumber than a box of rocks. Call it growing pains or whatever the hell you want but these people are not better off....OH I did ask my Libyan friends and they said things were much better under Gaddafi. And this is coming from people well into their 40's who lived under Gaddafi rule most of their life, people who are too scared to go home because they might get killed.

Im not saying Gaddafi was the greatest guy ever. What I am saying, AND PLEASE READ THIS NEXT PART SLOWLY, is that Libya is worse off now than before. and they are massacring blacks as well.



Over the long term this path is better for Libya than another 20-30 years under ghadaffi and who knows how long under his sons or other military leader, that is the point, my argument was a long term argument, my argument is not whether things are better right now
 

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:snoop: You truly don't read and I can tell you why you don't know anything on Libya. Those pics were from 2011 of Black Libyans and African Migrants murdered in cold blood because your best buddies at the U.N. ( Susan Rice) created a fake narrative of "Black Mercenaries of Sub-Sahara" which killed thousands of Black Libyans. The article you posted did say premeditated murder that people did. That's not killing them, they were charged with a crime they committed and they have a punishment. Nice try.

Ok as long as you use tha same argument for black people on death row in the United States then you would be consistent
 

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Over the long term this path is better for Libya than another 20-30 years under ghadaffi and who knows how long under his sons or other military leader, that is the point, my argument was a long term argument, my argument is not whether things are better right now

My question to you good sir is how? With everything going to shyt now how do you see this going well in the long term? See I have proof behind what im saying and you dont. Case in point Iraq. We invaded in 2003 and the country is still fukked, dozens of people are blown up everyday, and life is overall worse than before. Same with Afghanistan.

So I humbly ask you wise sage, where is this silver lining you see that makes you think things will get better in the future. It seems like all we did was create a power vacuum for the next merciless dictator to step in and fill. Yes they now have freedom and liberty, but no security, barely any services like heat water and electricity, armed militias everywhere, and a government that can barely afford to pay the workers.
 

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My question to you good sir is how? With everything going to shyt now how do you see this going well in the long term? See I have proof behind what im saying and you dont. Case in point Iraq. We invaded in 2003 and the country is still fukked, dozens of people are blown up everyday, and life is overall worse than before. Same with Afghanistan.

So I humbly ask you wise sage, where is this silver lining you see that makes you think things will get better in the future. It seems like all we did was create a power vacuum for the next merciless dictator to step in and fill. Yes they now have freedom and liberty, but no security, barely any services like heat water and electricity, armed militias everywhere, and a government that can barely afford to pay the workers.
you cannot argue with anyone who thinks invasion of libya, iraq, syria is/was to free those people. it's pointless. it's a waste of time.
 

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i should be mod here. closing threads down and banning ppl like hitler.
 

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what did you think was going to happen?? abrupt change is always followed by chaos which can take decades for countries to recover from.

and overt interventions in another country's politics has never worked. :russ: dont get me wrong dictatorship is not an ideal form of government. but an outside country forcefully removing said dictator is much worse.
 

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so ghadafi was stashing billions all over the world from il revenue and somehow the US is to blame ??????? unless im missing something wouldnt that cause you to question ghadaffi?

as for the other stuff, yeah its true, there is nothing i can show people that dont believe on personal liberty and individual freedom about good things in libya

this support for ghadaffi shows how paper thin the support for individual rights is, i bet 90 percent of yall ghadaffi supporters were writing essays about the NSA scandal and how you are so deeply offended at the invasion of privacy and how you think the NSA is reading your wack ass posts in the coli

but now all of a sudden a sadistic person does things 10 times worse and libya is the #1 country in africa, apparently individual freedom is not one of the criteria you use to make that judgement

Would you shut the fukk up abot Ghaddafi being corrupt, as if the US government has any right to criticize ANYONE. GET THE ENTIRE fukk OUT OF HERE.

I know your entire persona is a schtick, but i'm getting sick and tired of you typing entire paragraphs of utter bullshyt!
 

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dictatorship is not an ideal form of government. but an outside country forcefully removing said dictator is much worse.
it's been over 50 yrs since a president was elected by the people. all presidents since then are appointed. does that mean another country should come in and change that?
 

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A problem that occurred after we meddled in their affairs. Theres a ton of shyt I could complain about but that doesn't give Russia the right to come here and arm protesters to fight the government.

WHAT THE fukk ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? What does Ghadafi stashing his money have to do with my post? Where did i blame the U.S.? And yes he was corrupt but that was his fukking business. We have a pretty corrupt government too, so I guess it's cool for Russia and China to gang up and help us by dropping bombs on them right?

When you put it like that :patrice:

If another country came to America riling the citizens up and arming them to fight the government, they'd be labeled terrorists. We do the same sh*t and we're spreading democracy. I see why other countries hate us. I get the feeling that one day America is going to pay severely for acting like we're the global police.
 

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it's been over 50 yrs since a president was elected by the people. all presidents since then are appointed. does that mean another country should come in and change that?
breh did you really read what i wrote?? :stopitslime:
 

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Would you shut the fukk up abot Ghaddafi being corrupt, as if the US government has any right to criticize ANYONE. GET THE ENTIRE fukk OUT OF HERE.

I know your entire persona is a schtick, but i'm getting sick and tired of you typing entire paragraphs of utter bullshyt!


first of all unlike you my persona is not a shtick, and unlike you everything im saying now i would say in real life

second of all i wasnt saying that ghadaffi being corrupt was reason enough to invade, the charge about ghadaffi being corrupt is to answer the assertion that ghadaffi was the leader of africa and of black people and that libya was heaven on earth

obama had a chance to take out an dictator and he took it be helping the rebels, i personally approve of it, its one less decrepit sadistic dictator in the world
 
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My question to you good sir is how? With everything going to shyt now how do you see this going well in the long term? See I have proof behind what im saying and you dont. Case in point Iraq. We invaded in 2003 and the country is still fukked, dozens of people are blown up everyday, and life is overall worse than before. Same with Afghanistan.

So I humbly ask you wise sage, where is this silver lining you see that makes you think things will get better in the future. It seems like all we did was create a power vacuum for the next merciless dictator to step in and fill. Yes they now have freedom and liberty, but no security, barely any services like heat water and electricity, armed militias everywhere, and a government that can barely afford to pay the workers.

it could take years
 
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