We all thought Libya had moved on – it has, but into lawlessness and ruin

[theworldismine13]

well again

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

 

[thekingsmen]

because they couldn't, like most "countries" in africa and the middle east libya is not a real country, so that gives ruthless, sadistic people like ghadaffi an opening since there isnt an organized opposition or any organization that balances out the power of the state or any tradition that limits government power

anybody that had read origins of political order would see this and they would also see that the many forces in libya is normal and that the main thing is figuring out a balance of power, that is just a process that societies have to go through, sometimes the balancing out happens violently, but in 2013 the geo political forces are such that libya will end up being somewhat democratic

1. You couldn't tell me how ruthless he was because you haven't brought any facts or evidence
2. If Opposition didn't exist or organized why was LIFG still in Libya for 30 plus years?
3. Gaddafi kept the balance by keeping the 150 plus Tribes at peace with each other. Now Tribal War.
4. There is no democracy for Libya...Militias run the cities and you have no clue of what you speak of.

 

[thekingsmen]

well again

At the cost of Black Libyan and African Life. You are a moron.

 

[emoney]

At the cost of Black Libyan and African Life. You are a moron.

where is that first picture from?

 

[theworldismine13]

At the cost of Black Libyan and African Life. You are a moron.

im not sure where your pics are from, but a lot of the atrocities were due to tribal issues but ghadafii was killing africans too http://www.afronline.org/?p=5927

 

[theworldismine13]

1. You couldn't tell me how ruthless he was because you haven't brought any facts or evidence
2. If Opposition didn't exist or organized why was LIFG still in Libya for 30 plus years?
3. Gaddafi kept the balance by keeping the 150 plus Tribes at peace with each other. Now Tribal War.
4. There is no democracy for Libya...Militias run the cities and you have no clue of what you speak of.

1. like i said its been documented
2. i dont know who or what LIFG is but they obviously did not represent any threat to ghadaffi if they were allowed to operate openly
3) so? having society revolve or be balanced by one man is exactly what you dont want, the balance i was referring to was the balance between institutions, and the whole point of that is to not have the state be dependent on one person
4) its an emerging democracy

 

[the next guy]

if anyone is looking for a daddy we all know who it is. Some of you support all of Obama's positions because you see him as a surrogate father. Not everything he does is right. Not this and sure as hell not Syria.

 

[PewPew]

i have no idea whats going on with that money, and again, i would suggest the libyan people do something about this money, its their money and their problem

A problem that occurred after we meddled in their affairs. Theres a ton of shyt I could complain about but that doesn't give Russia the right to come here and arm protesters to fight the government. Libya is now a virtual shyt hole and they were once the #1 country on the whole fukking continent. Think about that.

Libyans had free healthcare, free education, and a lot of other services that we dont get living in America. There is nothing you can show me that will prove Libya is better off today then when Obombya dropped them thangs on them. Growing pains my ass. ALSO, you're a terrible fukking poster brah.

I pray to God that you never have enough milk for your cereal

 

[theworldismine13]

A problem that occurred after we meddled in their affairs. Theres a ton of shyt I could complain about but that doesn't give Russia the right to come here and arm protesters to fight the government. Libya is now a virtual shyt hole and they were once the #1 country on the whole fukking continent. Think about that.

Libyans had free healthcare, free education, and a lot of other services that we dont get living in America. There is nothing you can show me that will prove Libya is better off today then when Obombya dropped them thangs on them. Growing pains my ass. ALSO, you're a terrible fukking poster brah.

I pray to God that you never have enough milk for your cereal

so ghadafi was stashing billions all over the world from il revenue and somehow the US is to blame ??????? unless im missing something wouldnt that cause you to question ghadaffi?

as for the other stuff, yeah its true, there is nothing i can show people that dont believe on personal liberty and individual freedom about good things in libya

this support for ghadaffi shows how paper thin the support for individual rights is, i bet 90 percent of yall ghadaffi supporters were writing essays about the NSA scandal and how you are so deeply offended at the invasion of privacy and how you think the NSA is reading your wack ass posts in the coli

but now all of a sudden a sadistic person does things 10 times worse and libya is the #1 country in africa, apparently individual freedom is not one of the criteria you use to make that judgement

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

 

[PewPew]

so ghadafi was stashing billions all over the world from il revenue and somehow the US is to blame ??????? unless im missing something wouldnt that cause you to question ghadaffi?

as for the other stuff, yeah its true, there is nothing i can show people that dont believe on personal liberty and individual freedom about good things in libya

this support for ghadaffi shows how paper thin the support for individual rights is, i bet 90 percent of yall ghadaffi supporters were writing essays about the NSA scandal and how you are so deeply offended at the invasion of privacy and how you think the NSA is reading your wack ass posts in the coli

but now all of a sudden a sadistic person does things 10 times worse and libya is the #1 country in africa, apparently individual freedom is not one of the criteria you use to make that judgement

WHAT THE fukk ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? What does Ghadafi stashing his money have to do with my post? Where did i blame the U.S.? And yes he was corrupt but that was his fukking business. We have a pretty corrupt government too, so I guess it's cool for Russia and China to gang up and help us by dropping bombs on them right?

Second, you keep talking about personal liberty and freedom but theres a ton of countries we are friends with that do much worse. Theres not a lot of personal liberty in Saudi Arabia for women, Bahrain is literally killing protestors, Egypt is pretty short on "Personal Liberty," when are we gonna invade and overthrow their governments?

Where was Ghadaffi's individual freedom to run his country how the fukk he wanted? I personally know a lot of Libyans because im African as well and all they long for is the days when their country wasn't a shyt hole. I personally know people who are afraid to fly back to their home country because some random militia might blow their brains out if they look at them funny....but I guess it's the militia's personal liberty and freeom that gives em the right to do that. Thank you based Obama.

And for the record I dont want anyone reading or listening to any of the conversations I have in private because theyre my conversations. My life is not a reality show for some geek sitting in an NSA office. Its highly ironic that you keep posting that Ben Franklin quote yet you dont care about giving up your essential liberty to the NSA

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

LOG OFF LIFE BREH

 

[theworldismine13]

WHAT THE fukk ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? What does Ghadafi stashing his money have to do with my post? Where did i blame the U.S.? And yes he was corrupt but that was his fukking business. We have a pretty corrupt government too, so I guess it's cool for Russia and China to gang up and help us by dropping bombs on them right?

the post that you replied to was a post were i was replying to kingsmen's post about ghadaffi;s money

the russians and chinese should do whatever they feel is in their national interest

Second, you keep talking about personal liberty and freedom but theres a ton of countries we are friends with that do much worse. Theres not a lot of personal liberty in Saudi Arabia for women, Bahrain is literally killing protestors, Egypt is pretty short on "Personal Liberty," when are we gonna invade and overthrow their governments?

i wouldnt rule that out

Where was Ghadaffi's individual freedom to run his country how the fukk he wanted?

this is a truly demonic statement right here, or maybe you are just confused about what individual freedom means

individual freedom refers to the right of an individual citizen to be protected from the tyranny of the state, the principal of individual freedom cannot apply to ghaddafi because he is the head of state himself

I personally know a lot of Libyans because im African as well and all they long for is the days when their country wasn't a shyt hole. I personally know people who are afraid to fly back to their home country because some random militia might blow their brains out if they look at them funny....but I guess it's the militia's personal liberty and freeom that gives em the right to do that. Thank you based Obama.

libya is going through some growing pains at the moment

And for the record I dont want anyone reading or listening to any of the conversations I have in private because theyre my conversations. My life is not a reality show for some geek sitting in an NSA office. Its highly ironic that you keep posting that Ben Franklin quote yet you dont care about giving up your essential liberty to the NSA

why are you so special that your conversations shouldnt be listened to but if you are libyan then its ok for ghadaffi to run your life? do your libyan friends also tell you how much they enjoyed ghadaffi having unlimited power over their lives and unlimited right to listen to any of their conversations

do you appreciate the amount of blood that was shed for you to calmly say that your conversations should be private and anybody take you seriously and that the government has to explain itself to you? you may not like his answer but at the end of the day the most powerful man in the world had to offer an explanation for his actions, that is what individual freedom means

do you actually believe in the right to privacy or is that something you take for granted? are only americans allowed to have the right to privacy? does running an electricity grid give somebody the right to violate a person's individual freedom?

 

[theworldismine13]

Libya Goes for Broke
The economic paradox of Libya: It’s rich, but it’s bankrupt.

Under Qaddafi, the state indeed became the near-sole provider of jobs; even today, between 70 and 85 percent of the Libyan workforce is employed by the state. Large-scale subsidies (applied to everything from petrol and electricity to rice and tomato paste) kept Libya well isolated from the world: the state monopolized imports, buying in bulk from abroad and setting up state-run cooperatives in each city where ordinary Libyans could buy their subsidized basic staples and foodstuffs. These hugely discounted goods equally served a political purpose: they kept Libyan mouths just about full enough not to be inclined to speak out of turn.

Monopolize the labor market, implement far-reaching subsidies, crack down on private enterprise; rinse and repeat over four decades, and what you end up with is a population with a deeply entrenched cultural and economic dependence on the state.

 

[thekingsmen]

1. like i said its been documented
2. i dont know who or what LIFG is but they obviously did not represent any threat to ghadaffi if they were allowed to operate openly
3) so? having society revolve or be balanced by one man is exactly what you dont want, the balance i was referring to was the balance between institutions, and the whole point of that is to not have the state be dependent on one person
4) its an emerging democracy

1. Documents that aren't present or you won't present cause they don't exist.

2. This why you know nothing on Libya. LIFG has been the biggest threat to Libya since Gaddafi was in power and was operating in Benghazi. This group was a well known terrorist organization sponsored by the U.S. for over 30 years and yet has been on their State Dept terrorist watch list. This same group became the leadership of the rebels. This same group that fought American Soldiers in Iraq.

3. Who said it revolved around one man? He had a Government that ran the country. See your belief is people should be chaos and despair and they can at least choose to be in those environments and not be happy by having someone take care of them with everything they need. You live on the "Pull up your bootstrap mentality" which hasn't got anyone( in these countries) anything.

4. It was already a democracy with free healthcare, water, electricity, education, women rights, etc. Your mind can't wrap your head around good things in the country because you believe only the U.S. can bring democracy to the world. That is an illusion.

 

[theworldismine13]

1. Documents that aren't present or you won't present cause they don't exist.

2. This why you know nothing on Libya. LIFG has been the biggest threat to Libya since Gaddafi was in power and was operating in Benghazi. This group was a well known terrorist organization sponsored by the U.S. for over 30 years and yet has been on their State Dept terrorist watch list. This same group became the leadership of the rebels. This same group that fought American Soldiers in Iraq.

3. Who said it revolved around one man? He had a Government that ran the country. See your belief is people should be chaos and despair and they can at least choose to be in those environments and not be happy by having someone take care of them with everything they need. You live on the "Pull up your bootstrap mentality" which hasn't got anyone( in these countries) anything.

4. It was already a democracy with free healthcare, water, electricity, education, women rights, etc. Your mind can't wrap your head around good things in the country because you believe only the U.S. can bring democracy to the world. That is an illusion.

1. ok sure

2. if they were a terrorist group how can you say they represented a balancing force in libya? Again the balance that i was referring to was the balance between different institutions and the decentralization of power, this LIFG were not part of the power structure so they could not be a balancing force to Ghadafi and could not prevent any abuses and tyranny of the state

3. Ghadaffi was running the government for 40 years so therefore it revolved around one man

5. Ghadaffi was a dictator, and the fundamental definition of democracy is the ability to choose your own leader, its impossible for libya to be a democracy unless you twist the definition of democracy

 

[thekingsmen]

im not sure where your pics are from, but a lot of the atrocities were due to tribal issues but ghadafii was killing africans too http://www.afronline.org/?p=5927

You truly don't read and I can tell you why you don't know anything on Libya. Those pics were from 2011 of Black Libyans and African Migrants murdered in cold blood because your best buddies at the U.N. ( Susan Rice) created a fake narrative of "Black Mercenaries of Sub-Sahara" which killed thousands of Black Libyans. The article you posted did say premeditated murder that people did. That's not killing them, they were charged with a crime they committed and they have a punishment. Nice try.