we all love combat jack now. but remember when he shytted on 2pac?

[Jone2three45]

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[Jone2three45]

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[Jone2three45]

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[Grizzly]

The original article is from 2005. Lol!

nikkas was just lookin for somebody to be mad at fam...you took too long to respond so they moved on to Troy Ave now lol

 

[SunZoo]

Man, so glad I kept y'all busy off'a some of my earliest online writings from close to TEN years ago. Do I still think Tupac is the most overrated? Certainly. Have I changed my opinion of him since? No doubt. Last year I listened to All Eyes On Me straight for maybe a two months stretch. Maybe it was reminiscing, maybe it was because his voice and cadence and song writing grew on me, maybe it was because there was too much wack music out in 2013, but I can honestly say I appreciate Tupac way more now that I did 9 years ago. He was a great passionate rapper. He was not a top 5/10/15/20 emcee. He lived fast and hard and very much changed the game because of the person that he was, the totality of what he brought to the game. But emcee wise, way overrated. Ya'll wanna bring my family in this in relation to violence, I dunno what to tell you b.

But yeah, I'm not as anti Tupac as I was before.

I think we can give him a pass yall

But nah, I figured that you had kinda softened up on that stance a lil bit, that was some biased ass shyt IMO but even then you're still entitled to it.

As for pac being overrated, even with him being my favorite rapper I'll admit that he HAS to be overrated just based on the fact that his presence, even as just a rapper was much too big to fit on a song. I think everybody who has that much of a following is overrated to a degree, not because of lack of talent or quality, but because of the emotional attachment to them as personalities.

Thing about Pac is that his music shows that there is a SKILL involved in creating music/art in a way that transcends the medium, and it wasn't accidental. He was very deliberate about what kind of emotions he wanted to evoke rather than how tricky he could rhyme shyt, something I think he would have been very capable of if he had chose to go that route.

So yea...music being played in the Vatican, statues of him in Russia...Vladimir Putin knocking his shyt with pictures of him on his desk...hell yea he's overrated, for good reason.

 

[3rdWorld]

Y'all can't be mad at another person for having their own opinion.

Although,

Pac bust his guns protecting his people.

Pac came from a family of panthers, pimps and thugs.

Pac, as a one man army went against the most elite and supreme east coast artists at the time.

That time is considered to be one of the greatest and most cherished era of Hip-Hop to some.

Pac stood for what he believed in.

Pac's Thug Life and Makaveli era>>>>>>

Pac has statues built all over the world, the world.

If it ain't Nas, it's Pac.

Call Pac overrated if you want, he deserves every prop he gets.

Not for being a straight rapper though.
Its with good reason you may notice how out of all the so called GOATS Pac is the only one who's rap skills are constantly debated and scrutinised. Big, Jay, Nas, G Rap etc dont get questioned and its agreed upon they are gifted but Pac doesnt get that respect from a lot of the purists and it says a lot. And I doubt its a conspiracy because of his Panther pro Black links..he just wasnt on par with the others.

 

[OG Talk]

I don't have a problem with anyone's opinions.. I share a few unpopular hip hop opinions as well myself..But a lot of the same people that claim Pac is overrated for non-hiphop/lyrical reasons will say Jay-Z is one of the GOATS because of his business acumen or "longevity"...

I think with both of those guys people find themselves being more of a fan of the man than they are of the actual music...

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Not for being a straight rapper though.
Its with good reason you may notice how out of all the so called GOATS Pac is the only one who's rap skills are constantly debated and scrutinised. Big, Jay, Nas, G Rap etc dont get questioned and its agreed upon they are gifted but Pac doesnt get that respect from a lot of the purists and it says a lot. And I doubt its a conspiracy because of his Panther pro Black links..he just wasnt on par with the others.

My thing is why exactly is Pac's lyricism questioned? The fact that it's questioned at all shows how little people listened to his music. I think some people put a gross simplification on what "lyricism" actually is.

Pac wasn't a punchline/witty quotes type of rapper he used a lot of poetic devices in his lyrics like alliteration and multis and even then it wasn't overdone which is a great quality of his work. I think the problem is that people looked at the East Coast standard and stereotyped it at the pinnacle of lyrical ability in Rap music simply because it was a more flashy form whereas lyricism like Pac's was more subtle. It's more to lyricism than the little tricks and one liners so many people covet as savant-like ability. Not to mention, Pac's focus was his message not his lyrical content but he has songs where he put it on display. Songwriting is a diverse art brehs, the impact of your words, your choice of words, the sounds your words make together, it's so many ways to be lyrical imo this is the one thing I wish Rap music hadn't pigeonholed it's idea on this.

 

[3rdWorld]

My thing is why exactly is Pac's lyricism questioned? The fact that it's questioned at all shows how little people listened to his music. I think some people put a gross simplification on what "lyricism" actually is.

Pac wasn't a punchline/witty quotes type of rapper he used a lot of poetic devices in his lyrics like alliteration and multis and even then it wasn't overdone which is a great quality of his work. I think the problem is that people looked at the East Coast standard and stereotyped it at the pinnacle of lyrical ability in Rap music simply because it was a more flashy form whereas lyricism like Pac's was more subtle. It's more to lyricism than the little tricks and one liners so many people covet as savant-like ability. Not to mention, Pac's focus was his message not his lyrical content but he has songs where he put it on display. Songwriting is a diverse art brehs, the impact of your words, your choice of words, the sounds your words make together, it's so many ways to be lyrical imo this is the one thing I wish Rap music hadn't pigeonholed it's idea on this.

You cant seem to separate personality and character from the technical written word and its presentation.

He had a larger than life personality, but he didnt have the technical bars and delivery system to match, he didnt have that flow and mic presence to match his public image. He relied more on his image and personality to get him through a track, so you know it'll at least be emotionally hype and from the heart. You said it yourself, he's not a 'witty' 'quotes' type rapper, and thats it. He doesnt leave a lasting impression on you after the track, he doesnt have you rewinding tapes to hear that amazing line again, something the other GOATS all have in common. The message is his personal opinion on a subject and has absolutely nothing to do with how good you write and spit it out.

 

[OG Talk]

You cant seem to separate personality and character from the technical written word and its presentation.

He had a larger than life personality, but he didnt have the technical bars and delivery system to match, he didnt have that flow and mic presence to match his public image. He relied more on his image and personality to get him through a track, so you know it'll at least be emotionally hype and from the heart. You said it yourself, he's not a 'witty' 'quotes' type rapper, and thats it. He doesnt leave a lasting impression on you after the track, he doesnt have you rewinding tapes to hear that amazing line again, something the other GOATS all have in common. The message is his personal opinion on a subject and has absolutely nothing to do with how good you write and spit it out.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

I won't even dignify that stupid shyt with a response. Pardon my back, b.

 

[Knicksman20]

You cant seem to separate personality and character from the technical written word and its presentation.

He had a larger than life personality, but he didnt have the technical bars and delivery system to match, he didnt have that flow and mic presence to match his public image. He relied more on his image and personality to get him through a track, so you know it'll at least be emotionally hype and from the heart. You said it yourself, he's not a 'witty' 'quotes' type rapper, and thats it. He doesnt leave a lasting impression on you after the track, he doesnt have you rewinding tapes to hear that amazing line again, something the other GOATS all have in common. The message is his personal opinion on a subject and has absolutely nothing to do with how good you write and spit it out.

I agree with you for the most part & wanted to piggyback on a point you made in bold. I think his overall message in certain songs might give you that factor like in my personal favorite song of his: Hold Ya Head. But you're right about him not having those punchlines & technical bars in his songs. He relied heavy on his emotion to carry him on a track. That was his lane & he played it well.

 

[Big Skilly Films]

Not for being a straight rapper though.
Its with good reason you may notice how out of all the so called GOATS Pac is the only one who's rap skills are constantly debated and scrutinised. Big, Jay, Nas, G Rap etc dont get questioned and its agreed upon they are gifted but Pac doesnt get that respect from a lot of the purists and it says a lot. And I doubt its a conspiracy because of his Panther pro Black links..he just wasnt on par with the others.

 

[3rdWorld]

I agree with you for the most part & wanted to piggyback on a point you made in bold. I think his overall message in certain might give you that factor like in my personal favorite song of his: Hold Ya Head. But you're right about him not having those punchlines & technical bars in his songs. He relied heavy on his emotion to carry him on a track. That was his lane & he played it well.

Id be lying if I said I didn't play the hell out of Strictly and Me Against..he's a strong artist and personality that made good music, but some tracks he was running out of breath and was just going on and on and it felt like he was about to scream.
Its hard to recite and recall most of his lyrics because they are so bland and unmemorable. If your bars dont remain in my head, there's a problem. You can practically spit out a random Pac verse and some of his most ardent stans couldnt identify which song it came from.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

He's also called the goat by more people than the artists you named and nikkas just salty. It hurts their hearts that tupac is still being called the goat by the whole world. The statues got nikkas feeling some type of way. He's also the only one on your list that doesn't Rep the east. Y'all ain't gone stop his props so keep us the futile fight.