You are full of it. Saying that Lebron goes to the rack everytime isnt true, its a lie. Maybe you're just dense so I'll try to explain again. Kobe doesn't drive as much as Lebron because he's not as good at driving. He takes more jumpshots than Lebron does because he's not as good going to the cup. There's no way around comparing fg% between 2 players when debating who's better. FG% isn't the only reason that Lebron is better than Kobe, it's just one of the reasons.Wrong. Even when Kobe had legs, he just didn't drive as often as Bron. He's a jump shooter. My point from jump was comparing fg%'s between someone who drives 6-8 times a game vs someone who mostly shoots jumpers is stupid. I'd readily agree with you if you said KD was more efficient because he plays Kobe's style of game & is better at it. You said I was full of shyt about Bron. A quick inquiry on Hoopdata can show you Bron takes more shot attempts at rim than most Centers/Power Forwards
Let it go nikka. You lost.
we all know LBJ is the best player in the world but...
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I'll respond to you because you're posting some decent reasons at least. However, Kobe can be Lebron if he wants to, he got 15 rebounds in the last game for his championship. Lebron could never be Kobe, you'll never see Lebron score 81 or 60 in 3 quarters, unless nobody else takes a shot, you'll never see Lebron dominate from the post. Kobe was in the triangle offense, handling the ball had more to do with Phil Jackson, not Kobe's ability. MJ clashed with Phil for the very same reason, because he wanted the ball in his hands more. Lebron from day one was given the ball, surrounded by jumpshooters, and told to drive, if you don't get the foul, kick it out. His game is VERY basic. Kobe is Picasso, 'Bron is a kid flicking paint on a canvas to see what happens. And in today's NBA where a hand check is a foul, good luck stopping a charging bull
I don't see that as an ability to get better shots, I see it a lack of options. Let's what happens with OKC next year or Laker's if they get Dwight, guarantee Bron won't have a free run to the lane, we'll see if his post game has evolved
Jesus Shuttlesworth
I Got Game
I'll respond to you because you're posting some decent reasons at least. However, Kobe can be Lebron if he wants to, he got 15 rebounds in the last game for his championship. Lebron could never be Kobe, you'll never see Lebron score 81 or 60 in 3 quarters, unless nobody else takes a shot, you'll never see Lebron dominate from the post. Kobe was in the triangle offense, handling the ball had more to do with Phil Jackson, not Kobe's ability. MJ clashed with Phil for the very same reason, because he wanted the ball in his hands more. Lebron from day one was given the ball, surrounded by jumpshooters, and told to drive, if you don't get the foul, kick it out. His game is VERY basic. Kobe is Picasso, 'Bron is a kid flicking paint on a canvas to see what happens. And in today's NBA where a hand check is a foul, good luck stopping a charging bull
"Kobe can be LeBron if he wants to" because he had ONE 15 board game over 2 years ago?
"Kobe is Picasso and Bron is a kid flicking paint" yet Bron still scores more. That would make Bron a fukking prodigy wouldn't it? He's just flicking paint and making better masterpieces than Picasso.
"Let's see what happens IF the Lakers get Dwight"
By FAR the funniest post I've read in the coli.
Jesus Shuttlesworth
I Got Game
Didn't even realize it was the groupie who posted that.
"K-O-B-E... gooooooo Kobe!"
"K-O-B-E... gooooooo Kobe!"
I'll respond to you because you're posting some decent reasons at least. However, Kobe can be Lebron if he wants to, he got 15 rebounds in the last game for his championship. Lebron could never be Kobe, you'll never see Lebron score 81 or 60 in 3 quarters, unless nobody else takes a shot, you'll never see Lebron dominate from the post. Kobe was in the triangle offense, handling the ball had more to do with Phil Jackson, not Kobe's ability. MJ clashed with Phil for the very same reason, because he wanted the ball in his hands more. Lebron from day one was given the ball, surrounded by jumpshooters, and told to drive, if you don't get the foul, kick it out. His game is VERY basic. Kobe is Picasso, 'Bron is a kid flicking paint on a canvas to see what happens. And in today's NBA where a hand check is a foul, good luck stopping a charging bull
just saw that to win the ring.all the scoring shyt u saying.there is so much more to basketball then scoring n lebron done with all better then kobeGetting 15 rebounds in 1 particular game doesn't show that Kobe could "be Lebron if he wanted to". That's just some fanboy talk that allows you to feel better about Kobe not doing what Lebron does. I understand that Kobe has spent most of his career in the triangle offense. The point remains though, Kobe does not have the playmaking ability that Lebron does. You might as well just concede that point, because there is no argument otherwise. As far as scoring, Lebron is a better more efficient scorer than Kobe. You can make excuses for why Lebron is a better scorer. You can highlight individual games and try to act like certain individual games outweigh the total number of games. You can even try to cloud the issue by talking about how much prettier you think that Kobe's game is, but none of that will change the fact that Lebron scores more in a more efficient way. You may not like Lebron's offensive game, but you can't deny that it's effective. All of that "his game is basic, he's a kid flicking paint" talk from you means nothing. In fact, it just makes you look ignorant and silly. Why stand on the perimeter playing iso-ball taking jab-step pull up contested jumpers, when you can bully your way to the hole getting layups, creating fouls, and creating for your teammates? You want to talk about that 81 point game and how Lebron will never do that and you're right. How many assists did Kobe have that game? Only 1-2 if I remember right. He took like 50 shots over constant double-triple teams and had maybe 2 assists. Lebron doesn't play that way and that's why he'll probably never score that much. He's too much of a playmaker. He doesn't mind passing. So there you have it, Lebron is not only a better player maker than Kobe, he's an overall better scorer as well. We haven't even gotten to the defensive part of the argument.I'll respond to you because you're posting some decent reasons at least. However, Kobe can be Lebron if he wants to, he got 15 rebounds in the last game for his championship. Lebron could never be Kobe, you'll never see Lebron score 81 or 60 in 3 quarters, unless nobody else takes a shot, you'll never see Lebron dominate from the post. Kobe was in the triangle offense, handling the ball had more to do with Phil Jackson, not Kobe's ability. MJ clashed with Phil for the very same reason, because he wanted the ball in his hands more. Lebron from day one was given the ball, surrounded by jumpshooters, and told to drive, if you don't get the foul, kick it out. His game is VERY basic. Kobe is Picasso, 'Bron is a kid flicking paint on a canvas to see what happens. And in today's NBA where a hand check is a foul, good luck stopping a charging bull
Jesus Shuttlesworth
I Got Game
Kobe shot 6-24. Everybody was in double digit rebounding that game.
"Kobe can be LeBron if he wants to" because he had ONE 15 board game over 2 years ago?
"Kobe is Picasso and Bron is a kid flicking paint" yet Bron still scores more. That would make Bron a fukking prodigy wouldn't it? He's just flicking paint and making better masterpieces than Picasso.
"Let's see what happens IF the Lakers get Dwight"
By FAR the funniest post I've read in the coli.
Kobe has 17 triple doubles in his career, and 151 double doubles. He's had 12 3's. He's had 16 rebounds twice. He's had 15 assists before. He has the most points scored in this era of basketball that people have actually witnessed.
Kobe outrebounding his frontcourt
3 straight ten or more assist games
Again, anything Lebron can do, Kobe can do it. This was my point. They don't play the same roles, or the same positions in their offenses, your post about Lebron being such an incredible facilitator is bunk because he has the ball most of the time. If you really look at the numbers:
Last year's turnovers per game: Lebron 3.5, Kobe 2.8
Most turnovers per game in NBA finals: Incredible facilitator?
Kobe career A/T ratio is 1.6, while Lebron's is 2.0. To give you some reference, Chris Paul is at 3.9, Deron Williams is at 2.9. Derrick Rose has a better A/T ratio than Lebron, and nobody would call him a great passing guard. And again, Kobe's job is not to distribute the ball, but even with said, Lebron isn't significantly better, and in fact, when it counts (e.g. NBA finals), he's pretty bad.
Now to flip the situation:
Kobe has scored 60 or more 5 times, Lebron 0.
Kobe has scored 50 or more 20 times since '05 Lebron, only 9 (Kobe scored 50 or more 4 times in a row in '07
)Kobe has scored 40 or more 88 times since '05, Lebron 11
And for all this talk about Bron being so much more efficient, Kobe is a career 1.3 points per possession, and Lebron at 1.35 points per possession. And a lot of Kobe's looks depends on where he gets the ball:
Breakdown of Kobe's FG% and PPP in different areas
^^^ Last year Kobe was shooting 55% off of pick and rolls and 52% off handoffs. That's why you gotta look at stats with a grain of salt. Lebron is always dictating where the ball goes, Kobe is doing pick and pop, coming off the screen, or bumping in the post, if he doesn't get the ball at the right point, or right time, the double gets there early, and then he's gotta make magic to score.
Again, I said you won, but you insist to talk sh*t. Let's see your boy Bron win a back to back
(sad inside because I'm a Heat fan, but I give props to greatness when I see it)Kobe has 17 triple doubles in his career, and 151 double doubles. He's had 12 3's. He's had 16 rebounds twice. He's had 15 assists before. He has the most points scored in this era of basketball that people have actually witnessed.
Kobe outrebounding his frontcourt
3 straight ten or more assist games
Again, anything Lebron can do, Kobe can do it. This was my point. They don't play the same roles, or the same positions in their offenses, your post about Lebron being such an incredible facilitator is bunk because he has the ball most of the time. If you really look at the numbers:
Last year's turnovers per game: Lebron 3.5, Kobe 2.8
Most turnovers per game in NBA finals:
Kobe career A/T ratio is 1.6, while Lebron's is 2.0. To give you some reference, Chris Paul is at 3.9, Deron Williams is at 2.9. Derrick Rose has a better A/T ratio than Lebron, and nobody would call him a great passing guard. And again, Kobe's job is not to distribute the ball, but even with said, Lebron isn't significantly better, and in fact, when it counts (e.g. NBA finals), he's pretty bad.
Now to flip the situation:
Kobe has scored 60 or more 5 times, Lebron 0.
Kobe has scored 50 or more 20 times since '05 Lebron, only 9 (Kobe scored 50 or more 4 times in a row in '07
Kobe has scored 40 or more 88 times since '05, Lebron 11
And for all this talk about Bron being so much more efficient, Kobe is a career 1.3 points per possession, and Lebron at 1.35 points per possession. And a lot of Kobe's looks depends on where he gets the ball:
Breakdown of Kobe's FG% and PPP in different areas
^^^ Last year Kobe was shooting 55% off of pick and rolls and 52% off handoffs. That's why you gotta look at stats with a grain of salt. Lebron is always dictating where the ball goes, Kobe is doing pick and pop, coming off the screen, or bumping in the post, if he doesn't get the ball at the right point, or right time, the double gets there early, and then he's gotta make magic to score.
Again, I said you won, but you insist to talk sh*t. Let's see your boy Bron win a back to back
how long did it take u to write this
now im bout to read it lol
Jesus Shuttlesworth
I Got Game
Kobe has 17 triple doubles in his career, and 151 double doubles. He's had 12 3's. He's had 16 rebounds twice. He's had 15 assists before. He has the most points scored in this era of basketball that people have actually witnessed.
Kobe outrebounding his frontcourt
3 straight ten or more assist games
Again, anything Lebron can do, Kobe can do it. This was my point. They don't play the same roles, or the same positions in their offenses, your post about Lebron being such an incredible facilitator is bunk because he has the ball most of the time. If you really look at the numbers:
Last year's turnovers per game: Lebron 3.5, Kobe 2.8
Most turnovers per game in NBA finals: Incredible facilitator?
Kobe career A/T ratio is 1.6, while Lebron's is 2.0. To give you some reference, Chris Paul is at 3.9, Deron Williams is at 2.9. Derrick Rose has a better A/T ratio than Lebron, and nobody would call him a great passing guard. And again, Kobe's job is not to distribute the ball, but even with said, Lebron isn't significantly better, and in fact, when it counts (e.g. NBA finals), he's pretty bad.
Now to flip the situation:
Kobe has scored 60 or more 5 times, Lebron 0.
Kobe has scored 50 or more 20 times since '05 Lebron, only 9 (Kobe scored 50 or more 4 times in a row in '07
Kobe has scored 40 or more 88 times since '05, Lebron 11
And for all this talk about Bron being so much more efficient, Kobe is a career 1.3 points per possession, and Lebron at 1.35 points per possession. And a lot of Kobe's looks depends on where he gets the ball:
Breakdown of Kobe's FG% and PPP in different areas
^^^ Last year Kobe was shooting 55% off of pick and rolls and 52% off handoffs. That's why you gotta look at stats with a grain of salt. Lebron is always dictating where the ball goes, Kobe is doing pick and pop, coming off the screen, or bumping in the post, if he doesn't get the ball at the right point, or right time, the double gets there early, and then he's gotta make magic to score.
Again, I said you won, but you insist to talk sh*t. Let's see your boy Bron win a back to back
Didn't read homie because I'm sure it was trash.
This nikka writing unofficial biographies and shyt. Yo groupie ass gon get Kobe in trouble with Vanessa again.
Jesus Shuttlesworth
I Got Game
Re-quoted for emphasis. This about sums up a large part of the argument
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