we all know LBJ is the best player in the world but...

[Gotright]

so im watching jordan on nba tv n just remember that kobe or lebron will never be better close threads

 

[Gotright]

But ow does the Facilitator still outscore the Finisher?

thats a dam good question

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

Lebron been the best player in the nba since 05-06 season when he put up 31 7 and 7 the next year he took a team full of straight up scrubs to the finals

People been hatin on this kid so long they haven't recognized his greatness

You realize that's the year Kobe averaged 35 points a game? not to mention Lebron had to average almost 43 minutes a game to get those stats ( second in the league ); Per 36 minutes Kobe still had the better statline that year. And not just going by stats, Kobe put on one of the most magnificent stretches of basketball played ever that season, dude was a threat for 40+ every night while still playing top notch defense with one of the worst teams assembled the last decade. Lebron was top 5 that year, but that year Kobe was flat out amazing and the best player in the league easy.

For the record, I'm not a Kobe stan.

 

[Jram]

Lebron went to a team with a guaranteed HOF and a perennial All Star to win his first ring. There's no discussion to be really had IMO. And for all this stat trouting you nikkaz is doing:
(rounded)
Kobe '04: 27, 6, 6 Bron '04: 27, 7, 7
Kobe '05: 35, 5, 5 Bron '05: 31, 7, 7
Kobe '06: 32, 5, 6 Bron '06: 27, 6, 7
Kobe '07: 28, 5, 6 Bron '07: 30, 7, 8
Kobe '08: 27, 5, 5 Bron '08: 28, 7, 8
Kobe '09: 27, 5, 5 Bron '09: 30, 9, 7
Kobe '10: 25, 5, 5 Bron '10: 27, 7, 8
Kobe '11: 28, 5, 5 Bron '11: 27, 6, 8

Outside of '09, for the most part, they have been neck and neck, considering that THEY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT ROLES, with Lebron being a facilitator, and Kobe being the finisher. I give the FG% wars to Lebron (but barely because Kobe takes 1 more 3PT shot per game than Lebron, and is at 45% on 20 shots per game, while Lebron is at 48% on 20 shots per game, you take away the 1 3PT shot, their FG% since '05 is not that much different), but his lack of a jumpshot has definitely hurt his teams at times. But I don't get all that Lebron has been clearly the best player since '05 talk.

Since '05
Kobe- 7 NBA 1st Teams, 7 NBA Defensive 1st Teams, 7 ASGs, 3 ASG MVP, 2 scoring titles, 2 finals appearances, 2 finals MVP, 2 championships

Bron- 7 NBA 1st Teams, 4 NBA Defensive 1st Teams, 7 ASGs, 2 ASG MVP, 1 scoring title, 2 finals appearances, 1 finals MVP, 1 championship

^^^How has Lebron been obviously the best player? And this is just on paper. This doesn't include the fact that Kobe plays IN THE WEST, the clutchness, the fact that his play basically saved Team USA in the last Olympics (where was the supposed best player in the L? ), the fact that Lebron handles the ball on virtually every play, I could go on and on. And remember, Kobe played last year injured! Please stop with all this nonsense.

You listing point, assist and rebound averages alone without taking into account how they scored them is really, really misleading. For the career, LeBron laps Kobe in PER, TS%, eFG% and FG%. Those all take into account ft shooting, fg shooting and 3pt shooting more accurately than you saying 'take away a 3 pt shot and theire FG% is not much different'.

Kobe's decision to take more 3's and LeBron's decision to take more shots in the paint isn't just as simple as 'If we take away that 3 point attempt than it's close...'. NO. That's why Lebron is so much more efficient, because his shot selection is better.

Besides that, all of your point are even more faulty and misleading.

A) Saves team USA in the Olympics is taking the final quarter of the final game and ignoring the totality of the Olympics and what it took to get there.

B) All Star game MVP's aren't notable trophy's. It's a meaningless exhibiton game. And saying they have the same amount of All star game selections is very broad and has nothing to do with the individual comparison. Bosh and Melo have those All star games in the same span too.

C) Clutchness. Don't start. Over the course of his career LeBron has comparable percentages in the last five minutes of close games and they have both proven they can lead teams to titles.

D) LeBron went to a team with a guaranteed HOF and perennial All star. that is true. But Kobe demanded a trade shortly after he didn't have the most dominant player of his generation, and then calmed down after he got Gasol, Bynum and Odom. Players historically do what they can to put themselves in a winning situation and the ones who don't leave never had to, for the most part.

E) Comparing titles isn't fair. It's a team game.

I would have understood your point more if you painted a complete picture of them and compared them individually by taking efficiency into account to gowith the averages.

But you subjectively said 'if we take away a 3 its not that different', which is a fictional hypothetical, and then counted awards without context (All star games, 1st teams) and the unprovable intangible part.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Lebron went to a team with a guaranteed HOF and a perennial All Star to win his first ring. There's no discussion to be really had IMO. And for all this stat trouting you nikkaz is doing:
(rounded)
Kobe '04: 27, 6, 6 Bron '04: 27, 7, 7
Kobe '05: 35, 5, 5 Bron '05: 31, 7, 7
Kobe '06: 32, 5, 6 Bron '06: 27, 6, 7
Kobe '07: 28, 5, 6 Bron '07: 30, 7, 8
Kobe '08: 27, 5, 5 Bron '08: 28, 7, 8
Kobe '09: 27, 5, 5 Bron '09: 30, 9, 7
Kobe '10: 25, 5, 5 Bron '10: 27, 7, 8
Kobe '11: 28, 5, 5 Bron '11: 27, 6, 8

Outside of '09, for the most part, they have been neck and neck, considering that THEY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT ROLES, with Lebron being a facilitator, and Kobe being the finisher. I give the FG% wars to Lebron (but barely because Kobe takes 1 more 3PT shot per game than Lebron, and is at 45% on 20 shots per game, while Lebron is at 48% on 20 shots per game, you take away the 1 3PT shot, their FG% since '05 is not that much different), but his lack of a jumpshot has definitely hurt his teams at times. But I don't get all that Lebron has been clearly the best player since '05 talk.

Since '05
Kobe- 7 NBA 1st Teams, 7 NBA Defensive 1st Teams, 7 ASGs, 3 ASG MVP, 2 scoring titles, 2 finals appearances, 2 finals MVP, 2 championships

Bron- 7 NBA 1st Teams, 4 NBA Defensive 1st Teams, 7 ASGs, 2 ASG MVP, 1 scoring title, 2 finals appearances, 1 finals MVP, 1 championship

^^^How has Lebron been obviously the best player? And this is just on paper. This doesn't include the fact that Kobe plays IN THE WEST, the clutchness, the fact that his play basically saved Team USA in the last Olympics (where was the supposed best player in the L? ), the fact that Lebron handles the ball on virtually every play, I could go on and on. And remember, Kobe played last year injured! Please stop with all this nonsense.

All this time and effort and still a MAJOR fail.

"For the most part they've been neck and neck"

Which really means Bron was better but Kobe wasn't far behind.

The only year Kobe was better according to those numbers was 06 (which was really 06-07). In the real 06 (05-06) when Bean averaged 35, Bron averaged 31 but with 2 more assists, which means 2 more buckets for his team which means they were responsible for the same amount of points that year.

Then you mention different roles which hurts your case even more. If Bron was the facilitator and Kobe was the finisher, why was the facilitator averaging more points and still facilitating?

Thank you, good sir. Team Bron appreciates your assistance.

 

[Gravity]

2009.

In 08 Lebron was on Kobe's level. They were close, but I'd give the edge to Kobe.

Why would you say that Kobe was better in '08? He wasn't better than Lebron '08, hr just played on a better team. Lebron Es the better individual player that year.

 

[blackzeus]

The funny thing is that he still won't get it. He's going to stay on that little boy schtick cheerleading and being a groupie to another grown man. I'll say it again, Nas and Kobe internet fans are one of a kind.

I just don't get why people take these debates so personally when none of you know these players. For the record, Lebron is the better player. He's currently better than Kobe has ever been, and it's not about stats. He's better based on the eye-test.

By eye-test you must mean going to a team with a HOF and all star to win a 'ship? Lack of a jumper? Getting baled out by Kobe in the last Olympics? Where are the international players running up to 'Bron for an autograph? I see why they say foreigners are smarter than Americans. Only you hatin' azz nikkaz is debatin' this, overseas, it's obvious who they think is the best, unanimously I might add:

While Kobe is turning down b*tches Lebron would wine and dine:

yo' boy is gettin' dunked in his own camp by high schoolers and getting rejected by butch athletes

 

[Gravity]

^^^ You're the type of Kobe fan that I was referring to the other day. I honestly think that fans like you are homosexual and that's why you're so irrational when it comes to Kobe.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

By eye-test you must mean going to a team with a HOF and all star to win a 'ship? Lack of a jumper? Getting baled out by Kobe in the last Olympics? Where are the international players running up to 'Bron for an autograph? I see why they say foreigners are smarter than Americans. Only you hatin' azz nikkaz is debatin' this, overseas, it's obvious who they think is the best, unanimously I might add:

While Kobe is turning down b*tches Lebron would wine and dine:

yo' boy is gettin' dunked in his own camp by high schoolers and getting rejected by butch athletes

You're more of a groupie than a fan.

 

[Goatpoacher]

By eye-test you must mean going to a team with a HOF and all star to win a 'ship? Lack of a jumper? Getting baled out by Kobe in the last Olympics? Where are the international players running up to 'Bron for an autograph? I see why they say foreigners are smarter than Americans. Only you hatin' azz nikkaz is debatin' this, overseas, it's obvious who they think is the best, unanimously I might add:

While Kobe is turning down b*tches Lebron would wine and dine:

yo' boy is gettin' dunked in his own camp by high schoolers and getting rejected by butch athletes

Goddamn. Listen, NBA players have plenty of female groupies, they don't need male ones too.

 

[boskey]

^^^ Youte the type of Kobe fan that I was referring to the other day. I honestly fans like are homosexual and that's why you're so irrational when it comes to Kobe.

lol thats The Black Zeus

 

[HendriX]

By eye-test you must mean going to a team with a HOF and all star to win a 'ship?[/img] You mean like toby getting shaq handed to him?

Oh you mean the team bron and wade had to carry until Toby made a couple of shots

You'd probably get on your knees, close your eyes and open ya dirty ass mouth wide open if you saw Kobe in person.

This is what your poor mother carried you in her stomach for?

 

[YBE]

But ow does the Facilitator still outscore the Finisher?

And its always funny when people are quoting numbers and they say shyt like "I'll give you the FG%". No, you arent giving us shyt. That is a statistical fact whether you say so or not...

It means whatever you want it to mean



FG% is overblown, especially when smart dumb nikkas use it as a deciding factor between players who play inside vs. out.




Charles Barkley had two seasons where he nearly averaged 30ppg on 60% (28ppg on 58% 12 rebs, 28ppg on 57% 10rebs). Jordan never hit a 60% clip. His most efficient season was 32ppg on 54%, 8rebs, 8ast. Hell, there's a full five point difference in their career fg% (.54% to .49%) I guess Barkley is better than Jordan

 

[Jplaya2023]

It means whatever you want it to mean



FG% is overblown, especially when smart dumb nikkas use it as a deciding factor between players who play inside vs. out.




Charles Barkley had two seasons where he nearly averaged 30ppg on 60% (28ppg on 58% 12 rebs, 28ppg on 57% 10rebs). Jordan was never that efficient. His most efficient season was 32ppg on 54%, 8rebs, 8ast. Hell, there's a full five point difference in their career fg% (.54% to .49%) I guess Barkley is better than Jordan

Why are we comparing fg % of a pf to that of a sg, when their roles are different. Smh

 

[YBE]

Why are we comparing fg % of a pf to that of a sg, when their roles are different. Smh

that's the point bro

nikkas wanna compare a jumpshooter's fg% vs. a 6"8 behomoth who can run over half the league & see absolutely nothing wrong with that