Stress Welker
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Noticed I spelled racist wrong in the thread title and poll.
Why is the name Cleveland Indians racist? You are all saying that simply using the word that describes a particular race of people is racist?
Why is the name Cleveland Indians racist? You are all saying that simply using the word that describes a particular race of people is racist?
yeah its racist af. its like if the raiders were called the oakland c00ns
at the same time tho, redskins doesnt have the same bite cuz its not used in a derogatory manner anymore
They should change it. Its not only racist but you gotta think that all the terrible shyt thats happened to the franchise is due to some Native American curse.
Yeah but they have spiritual powers and shyt.█ W.D.Y.D. █;2838300 said:Actually believing native american people have the ability to put curses on a team is more ridiculous and ignorant than the team's name.
The only thing more ignorant than the team's name is being ignorant to how the team was named█ W.D.Y.D. █;2838300 said:Actually believing native american people have the ability to put curses on a team is more ridiculous and ignorant than the team's name.
That link goes into the court case, what evidence was presented. How fukkboys acting all PC today trying say fakkits good and chick-fil-a is badOne interesting piece of evidence is the origin of the name Washington Redskins. In 1933, George Preston Marshall, the owner of the team, which was then located in Boston, renamed it the Boston Redskins in honor of the head coach, William "Lone Star" Dietz,an American Indian.³ When the team moved to Washington in 1937 it was renamed the Washington Redskins. George Marshall clearly did not consider the name disparaging.
The term redskin of course goes much farther back than 1933. The details of this history have recently been explored by Ives Goddard of the Smithsonian Institution, in a paper conveniently available on-line. Some of the evidence is available in greater detail on Goddard's web site. You can read speeches by the Meskwaki chief Black Thunder and the Omaha chief Big Elk in which the expression redskin is used, and early nineteenth century examples of the Meskwaki usage of terms meaning redskin and whiteskin.
I won't review the evidence in detail because Goddard's paper is short enough and accessible enough that if you are interested you should read it yourself. I'll just summarize it. Goddard shows that the term redskin is a translation from native American languages of a term used by native Americans for themselves. Harjo's claim that it "had its origins in the practice of presenting bloody red skins and scalps as proof of Indian kill for bounty payments" is unsupported by any evidence.⁴ The term entered popular usage via the novels of James Fenimore Cooper. In the early- to mid-nineteenth century the term was neutral, not pejorative, and indeed was often used in contexts in which whites spoke of Indians in positive terms. Goddard concludes:
Cooper's use of redskin as a Native American in-group term was entirely authentic, reflecting both the accurate perception of the Indian self-image and the evolving respect among whites for the Indians' distinct cultural perspective, whatever its prospects. The descent of this word into obloquy is a phenomenon of more recent times.
RGIII slipped on some ancient Indian bone dust and fukked his knee up.There curse got us 3 Super Bowls
Some curse huh?