Was there any old civilization more advanced than Ancient Egypt??

[ATownD19]

Cacs grasping for straws in this thread

 

[cobra]

If this ain't a load of bullshyt. These god's have literally no relation to one another outside of a few iconographic similarities. They don't even have the same roles in their respective religions

Both were polytheistic religions, and amun and atum were all powerful saviour like figures just like krishna and shiva. Also the similarities are too close to ignore. In the case of amun and krisna both have blue skin and feathers on their head. Keep in mind that Hinduism was not native to the Indus valley civilization (Egypt's contemporary). It and the caste system was brought along by invading people from the Eurasian steppe much later. It is very possible that Hinduism is a derivative of ancient Egyptian beliefs

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Vedic texts were written in 1500 bce. Egypt had already been a thriving civilization for 2000 years at this point! They had already built the Pyramids of Giza by 2500 bce

Vedic tradition is oral, not textual. The written date of the Vedas is irrelevant. Veda means knowledge which has no beginning or ending. The oldest cultures and traditions on this planet are all oral and based on verbal testimony. It is only when man's mental capacity deteriorates that he feels the need to write things down.

China's written history only dates back to 1500 bce as well. The Yellow river and Yangtze civilizations that were present before then were primitive and cannot be compared to the sophistication of Egyptian society

Nobody in their right mind would rank Nubia above China in terms of civilizational relevency. The notion is laughable and would only have merit on forums such as this one.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Both were polytheistic religions, and amun and atum were all powerful saviour like figures just like krishna and shiva. Also the similarities are too close to ignore. In the case of amun and krisna both have blue skin and feathers on their head. Keep in mind that Hinduism was not native to the Indus valley civilization (Egypt's contemporary). It and the caste system was brought along by invading people from the Eurasian steppe much later. It is very possible that Hinduism is a derivative of ancient Egyptian beliefs

Not true. A more accurate hypothesis is that the Egyptian and Hindu religion had a common origin somewhere in the central asian area. We've already established earlier in this thread that goblekki teppe predates Egypt by 7,000 years, since you guys are so caught up in dates.

Also it's important to note that the Vedic tradition incorporated a system that sought to think beyond rote ritualism and polytheism, that is what the upanishads are based on. A philosophy centered on the self and a higher sense of absolute reality. There is nothing in Egyptian religion comparable, on par, or as sophisticated as the upanishads in terms of sheer scope of thought and profundity. It's just a fact.

 

[cobra]

Not true. A more accurate hypothesis is that the Egyptian and Hindu religion had a common origin somewhere in the central asian area. We've already established earlier in this thread that goblekki teppe predates Egypt by 7,000 years, since you guys are so caught up in dates.

ah this theory....where people from somewhere else migrate to Africa and built somehow the greatest civilization at the time, when their parent group is still living a nomadic stone age life style

Nobody in their right mind would rank Nubia above China in terms of civilizational relevency. The notion is laughable and would only have merit on forums such as this one.

Nobody considers China to be the cradle of civilization. Also please list some things china contributed other than gunpowder. Without Genghis khan creating the silk road, China would be irrelevant.
Grecian, Roman and Persian empires were influenced by Egypt.

Also recent studies show that even the chinese civilization came from egypt.
Does Chinese Civilization Come From Ancient Egypt?

 

[Turk]

Both were polytheistic religions, and amun and atum were all powerful saviour like figures just like krishna and shiva. Also the similarities are too close to ignore. In the case of amun and krisna both have blue skin and feathers on their head. Keep in mind that Hinduism was not native to the Indus valley civilization (Egypt's contemporary). It and the caste system was brought along by invading people from the Eurasian steppe much later. It is very possible that Hinduism is a derivative of ancient Egyptian beliefs

This immediately lets me know you're knowledge of Hinduism is severely lacking. Hinduism encompasses a myriad of beliefs ranging from monotheism to polytheism, it's not just one thing. And if you want to really argue, the Vedas, which are the foremost text in Hinduism, espouse monotheism the most. Shiva isn't a savior figure either, he's literally a god of destruction. Hinduism sprouted from a mixture of pre-existing Indus valley beliefs and imported ones from outsiders

 

[cobra]

This immediately lets me know you're knowledge of Hinduism is severely lacking. Hinduism encompasses a myriad of beliefs ranging from monotheism to polytheism, it's not just one thing. And if you want to really argue, the Vedas, which are the foremost text in Hinduism, espouse monotheism the most. Shiva isn't a savior figure either, he's literally a god of destruction. Hinduism sprouted from a mixture of pre-existing Indus valley beliefs and imported ones from outsiders

i looked up atum's meaning and it means "finisher of the world"
Directly corresponds to shiva.
and monotheism means only one God, Hinduism has 33
finally indigenous indians did not practice hinduisim....hinduism and the caste system was brought by the invading aryans
Atum - Wikipedia

 

[Turk]

i looked up atum's meaning and it means "finisher of the world"
Atum - Wikipedia

Finisher of the world and the destroyer of the world are two different things. After a creative cycle Atum goes away, Shiva doesn't. Shiva is responsible for destroying the world, after he's done there's nothing left. Atum is also seen as a solar deity and a creator deity which Shiva is not.

 

[cobra]

Finisher of the world and the destroyer of the world are two different things. After a creative cycle Atum goes away, Shiva doesn't. Shiva is responsible for destroying the world, after he's done there's nothing left. Atum is also seen as a solar deity and a creator deity which Shiva is not.

Shaivism is one of the four major sects of Hinduism, the others being Vaishnavism, Shaktism and the Smarta Tradition. Followers of Shaivism, called "Shaivas", revere Shiva as the Supreme Being. Shaivas believe that Shiva is All and in all, the creator, preserver, destroyer, revealer and concealer of all that is.[14][13] He is not only the creator in Shaivism, he is the creation that results from him, he is everything and everywhere. Shiva is the primal soul, the pure consciousness and Absolute Reality in the Shaiva traditions.[13]

 

[Turk]

@cobra

Only Shaivites, who are adherents of Shiva, view him as a creator, the supreme being, and etc. In the broader scope of Hinduism Shiva is generally regulated to being a destroyer. The Trumurti, which encapsulates the Hindu view of functionality, is as follows:

The Trimurti is a concept in Hinduism “in which the cosmic functions of creation, maintenance, and destruction are personified by the forms of Brahma the creator, Vishnu the maintainer or preserver and Shiva the destroyer or transformer.

Trimurti - the Trinity of Hinduism - The Hindu FAQs

 

[MegaManX]

China is definitely in the top tier and was waaayyyyyyyy more advanced than Nubia.

yeah but they were THOUSANDS of years after Kemet and were heavily influenced by India.

 

[Axolotl]

yeah but they were THOUSANDS of years after Kemet and were heavily influenced by India.

good point

 

[King Khufu]

Who knows how many ancient civilization was erased out of Africa!

Egypt was the only one we are told about and even then they deny the black influence of its ancestral origins.
Thank you for the thread OP this kind of my lane so I'm book marking it to read it all soon

 

[JadeB]

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[GetInTheTruck]

ah this theory....where people from somewhere else migrate to Africa and built somehow the greatest civilization at the time, when their parent group is still living a nomadic stone age life style

Egypt's culture, government, societal organization, and civics had more commonality with the near eastern and Asian civilizations than it did with what's found in the rest of Africa so it's not out of the realm of reality to place a common origin hypothesis somewhere in the eurasian landmass, IF we want to let our imaginations stretch that far back. Aside from Nubia Egypt didn't have much interest or contact with the rest of Africa, they never felt the need to explore or contact anyone over there....all of their extended attention, trade, and correspondence was focused north and eastwards. Whatever "race" you want to believe the Egyptians were this is just the indisputable reality.

of civilization. Also please list some things china contributed other than gunpowder. Without Genghis khan creating the silk road, China would be irrelevant.
Grecian, Roman and Persian empires were influenced by Egypt

China invented printing, paper, and the compass...things that are crucial to how we live and operate TODAY. History, both ancient and modern, is replete with evidence of China's relevance. This is the type of hyperbole I'm talking about. Your over-eagerness to identify with Egypt is causing you to say stupid things.