Was King Tut Black or Arabic?

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what exactly is the argument here?.
no argument......

but a bunch of conversations about the origins of the Indian sub continent in the past........ carried over to this thread and me questioning why he even hopes in every Black History thread and makes comments n shyt trying to discount the black posters... then him saying about me being Muslim.. and black...... because he's Muslim and Indian and


i don't really know. :yeshrug:
 

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You stay talking out both sides of yours mouth, on some real shyt that's why I never really take you serious. It seems you call yourself muslim but you feel that you have to insist Muhammad was "black" like you to validate your identity....that sounds like inferiority complex to me.

and even though you were trying to be funny, yeah, that's kind of an accurate version of what happened as far as me discovering Islam.

never said or even implied that Muhammad was black...
and my identity is black first and Muslim second because religion is just some personal shyt......... being africa/black and pro black is who I am. And I do know history so if anything I would have a superiority complex ( but rightfully so)



and :ufdup:I knew that was your story.
 

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people need to get it straight. the og arabs were BLACK. what you have now are mostly mulatoo and eurasian tribes that adopted the arabic language claiming to be arabs.


the first arab was born of a woman being an egyptian black slave name
HAGAR
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As Thomas Jefferson had sex with his African slave and disowned his offspring, I was Father Abraham's African sex slave. After I had his son, he disowned him and sent us away.

HAGAR
MOTHER OF THE FIRST ARAB

This black woman from the continent of Africa is reported in Scripture as the first sex slave namely to Abraham father of the Arab and Jewish people. The God of Israel is not the same as Allah, for the God of the Bible is partial toward His chosen people, called Israelites, Israelis, or Jews. When Abraham impregnated his wife's African slave whom she obtained from Pharaoh, the greatest king in Africa, God never acknowledged the child as Abraham's heir. He would refer to him as "the lad" the son of the "bond (bondage) woman." He told Abraham to take his "only son" Isaac and offer him, ignoring Ishmael, the biracial child, of Abraham who was prophesied to be a wild man who will be uncontrollable by nations as he dwelled among his Jewish brethren. Read about this greatest and longest family feud in history in The Complete Works of Blacks in the Bible. This website does not give you a half of what this book holds.


Uh no. Thomas Jefferson slave girl Sally was the whitest looking quadroon girl you could see.
 

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never said or even implied that Muhammad was black...
and my identity is black first and Muslim second because religion is just some personal shyt......... being africa/black and pro black is who I am. And I do know history so if anything I would have a superiority complex ( but rightfully so)



and :ufdup:I knew that was your story.

That's cool do you but that's not Islam. You supposed to consider yourself a Muslim before anything...but like I said, do you.
 
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The Arabs were never black..they had Africans in Arabia but that doesn't mean they were Arab..

Actually the original Arabs were black. Historically they were considered the same people as the present-day East Africans living in Somalia, Ethiopia, and Sudan. In fact, there still black tribes living in Ethiopia and Somalia that claim to descend from Arabia. Look at these quotes from ancient sources. The original Arabs were always described as people with black skin and kinky hair. Just like the populations of present day East Africa. And it shouldn't really be surprising considering Arabia is but a stone's throw away from East Africa.


“…the predominant complexion of the Arabs is dark brownish black and that of the non-Arabs is white.” Ibn Mandour (14th Century)Lisaan al-Arab IV:209.

14th century Arab linguist and grammarian Ibn Mandhour spoke of in his text, Arab Lessons(or Lisaan al-Arab) noting that Arabs were distinguished by their brown-black skins and kinky hair, while fair skin and lank hair was characteristic of the Persians (Lisaan al-Arab ).

The Arabs used to take pride in their brown and black complexion (al-sumra wa al-sawād) and they had a distaste for a white and fair complexion (al-ḥumra wa al-shaqra), and they used to say that such was the complexion of the non-Arabs.” Ibn Abi al-Hadid 13th c. citing the 9th century Al-Mubarrad in Sharh nahj al-balaghah, V:56.

The early accounts with descriptions of the earliest Arabians, along with physical anthropological evidence show that until approximately 600 years ago peoples of mainly African-Asiatic affiliation dominated most of peninsular Arabia. Though today a good number of people of the Arabian peninsula resemble the majority of the people of the Levant (Syria, Lebanon, Palestine). In fact certain writers of Syrian and Andalusian origin such as Al-Umari and Ibn Khaldun of the 14th century considered Arabia part of the “Bilad es-Sudan” - or lands of “the Sudan” or black peoples. Ibn Khaldun in particular includes the regions of Arabia (Hijaz, and Central Arabia or Nejd) in his chapter on “the 2nd zone of Sudan”.[

As David Goldenberg writes, “This view of the Arab as dark-skinned is also found among other peoples, as is indicated by the term arap (i.e., Arab) meaning 'black African' in modern Turkish, Greek, and Russian, as well as in Yiddish” (Goldenberg, 2005, p. 124). And, this is the case because their peoples still have folk history of the original Arab invaders of their lands. The descriptions and depictions of the earliest Arabs or kara-Arapy (“black Arabs”) are not infrequent in their histories and folktales.

There is, for example, the texts of the Kurdish writer Ibn Athir (12th – 13th century) which speak of the Sulaym/Sulaim folk hero "Sa’d al-Aswad" as being literally black because he came from the “purest” Arabs. A Persian Jewish Targum to Song 1: 5 uses the phrase “black as the Kushytes who live in the tents of Kedar.” to describe peoples of north Arabia. (Goldenberg, p. 244) There are also numerous early indigenous paintings as found below.


Afro-Asiatica: An Odyssey in Black: January 2013
 
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I just find it strange that when it comes to this topic many people ignore the historical records and first hand experiences of ancient Egypt. The Greeks, Romans, Herotudus all mention that the Egyptians were African. The b*stards even wrote stories.

The story Aeneid mention book 1 written in 79, 80 BC talks about the Ethiopian King and his India army fighting battles and Shyt.

this. its almost like cacs want to discount the first person accounts of the people that interacted with them in the first place. same with the Arabs. all historical sources describe the arabs as being black skinned with kinky hair. Arabia was considered an extension of Bilal al Sudan (Land of the blacks). We have countless paintings from Europe entitled "Portrait of an Arab" with pictures of black people. Why would the europeans continually paint and describe the Arabs as black if they weren't?


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An Arab in a turban. Konstantin Makovsky, 1882.

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Portrait of an Arab paint by the Belgian artist Joseph van Severdonck (1819-1905)

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Arab boy. Konstantin Makovsky, 1882.

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Portrait of Moroccan. José Tapiro y Baro,


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Portraits of Moroccans by Spanish artist José Tapiro y Baro (1830-1913)

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Portraits of Moroccans by Spanish artist José Tapiro y Baro (1830-1913)


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Frederico Bartolini: Portrait of an Arab Man


This concept of Arabs being pale skinned white people is but a modern conception. Just like the concept of the Ashkenazi Jews being somehow original jews and the Ancient Egyptians not being black. These are all modern conceptions. If we look at any historical source from the past, the originals Arabs, Jews, and Egyptians were described as a people with BLACK/BROWN skin and KINKY hair. Just like most of the modern day populations in East Africa.
 
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and for those that can't grasp how a region like North Africa can go from predominantly black 1,000 years ago to being predominantly non-black now, look no further than the land you live right now. 700 years ago there were no white people in the Americas. now that is the predominant population. Brazil in just a few centuries went from a country with black, white, and native peoples to now being a mix of all 3 so that for many Brazilians, you can't tell what race they are.

you had the same thing in north africa. mass migrations, slavery (of white people), use of european concubines, and mixing that has resulted in a mixed population in north africa. however, if we look at the historical accounts from the people that were around then, the original inhabitants of north africa were described as black. and it seems many of the european painters 400 years ago knew the same thing. which is why almost all portraits of moors or arabs at that time looked like the pictures I posted above. they were portraits of black people.
 
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That's cool do you but that's not Islam. You supposed to consider yourself a Muslim before anything...but like I said, do you.
Islam is what I practice before everything........but I wasn't aware of islam before I was aware of who I am...

I didn't grow up with Islam being separated from a black identity. Being african is important any concept, religion, idea, and culture that you're in. Allah created the first humans just like me, most prophets are just like me, and more righteous people on our planet are just like me............ so it's difficult to ignore blackness.

eskoot.
 

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and for those that can't grasp how a region like North Africa can go from predominantly black 1,000 years ago to being predominantly non-black now, look no further than the land you live right now. 700 years ago there were no white people in the Americas. now that is the predominant population. Brazil in just a few centuries went from a country with black, white, and native peoples to now being a mix of all 3 so that for many Brazilians, you can't tell what race they are.

you had the same thing in north africa. mass migrations, slavery (of white people), and mixing that has resulted in a mixed population in north africa. however, if we look at the historical accounts from the people that were around then, the original inhabitants of north africa were described as black. and it seems many of the european painters 400 years ago knew the same thing. which is why almost all portraits of moors or arabs at that time looked like the pictures I posted above. they were portraits of black people.
This is so basic and easy to understand that I never understand the need for these debates.
 

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Islam is what I practice before everything........but I wasn't aware of islam before I was aware of who I am...

I didn't grow up with Islam being separated from a black identity. Being african is important any concept, religion, idea, and culture that you're in. Allah created the first humans just like me, most prophets are just like me, and more righteous people on our planet are just like me............ so it's difficult to ignore blackness.

eskoot.

Why did you choose such a racist discriminating religion especially for Africans????

No disrespect to Islam but it is truth.
 
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For some weird reason it's blows our mind to even understand that the first Arabs are black.... non black arabs are a relatively recent thing.

I think its a combination of the media only showing arabs as pale skin and the fact white supremacy has so pervaded our minds, that its impossible for us to believe that one of the worlds great religions and civilizations coulda been started by black people. Its the same reason most are unwilling to accept the Ancient Egyptians were black eventhough the evidence is even more overwhelming.

There was more movement of non-Africans into North Africa than there were movement of Europeans and Africans into the new world. And look how quickly the face of the Americas changed in just 500 years. If we didn't have such a good historical account of that, most would probably not believe that North America was predominantly non-white 500 years ago. But it was. I don't know why its so hard to believe the same couldn't happen in North Africa over 1000 years.
 
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sources? (non biblical,anthropological references)

not dissin..

check out my earlier post with quotes from ancient sources as well as the portraits above from europeans. all ancient sources describe the original arabs as black. this concept of arabs being non-black is a modern invention.
 

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Why did you choose such a racist discriminating religion especially for Africans????

No disrespect to Islam but it is truth.
read the last couple pages.... especially @Swagnificent post.

also my peps r from tribes out there in the sudan n shyt........ we created these people that later enslaved us not the other way around. Ethipians gave them those physical features..... not the other way around. And for most of history the roots of Islam and the entire bases of Arab culture was African.

I didn't chose anything ... it's just what it is. Not what hollywood tells you.
 
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So Arabs, like other dark skinned peoples have different skin tones among them ranging from light to dark? Wow, what a revelation.

no. the point of those quotes was to show that the arabs viewed the original/pure arab as one with dark skin and kinky hair. physical features associated mostly with africans in the modern age. the point of the poetry and descriptions was sort of the brag similar to pac in keep ya head up. "some say the blacker the berry, the sweeter the juice. i say the darker the flesh, the deeper the roots."

people have always been fukking one another. the arabs in those writing are simply trying to say that because i am black i from the pure arab lineage while the lighter skin straighter hair arabs are of foreign heritage.
 
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