Was King Tut Black or Arabic?

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But like I said earlier, you're operating on contemporary definitions of what blackness is. I don't think those dark Arabs considered themselves to be the same as dark Africans or dark Indians, or dark whatever.

:dahell: thats all that matters. race is nothing more than a social construct. what they considered themselves back then vis-a-vis other people is irrelevant. our discussion here is based on our current paradigms regarding race. I mean the Ancient Greeks did not consider themselves the same as the Germanic peoples to the north. Yet I don't see people screaming from the rooftops that the Greeks were not white because they considered themselves different than the blonde hair tribes to the north.

same rules apply here. What we're saying is that if the original Arabs were dropped into modern America, they would be considered black by everyone.
 

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Sounds like bs, to be quite honest

seriously..

i really doubt this, i wish i had the source..

I'd lend it credibility if there was a linguistic connection or some kind of record showing it to be the case but there is nothing of the sort.

"What became of the Black people of Sumer?' the traveler asked the old
man, for ancient records show that the people of Sumer were Black.
`What happened to them?' `Ah,' the old man sighed. `They lost their
history, so they died."
--A Sumerian Legend

I mean they use to call themselves blackheads lol. If you read there are plenty of books out there from Ivan Van Sertima, J.A Rogers, Dr. Runoko.
Dravidian, Mande and Elamite
Ancient African Writing Systems and Knowledge: Proto-Sumerian Writing
Skeleton evidence is there
Eye-witness accounts, religious similarities, linguistic affinities, skeletal evidence, Biblical references, architectural patterns, and oral traditions all point to an early African origin for the Sumerians of Iraq.
 

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"What became of the Black people of Sumer?' the traveler asked the old
man, for ancient records show that the people of Sumer were Black.
`What happened to them?' `Ah,' the old man sighed. `They lost their
history, so they died."
--A Sumerian Legend

I mean they use to call themselves blackheads lol. If you read there are plenty of books out there from Ivan Van Sertima, J.A Rogers, Dr. Runoko.
Dravidian, Mande and Elamite
Ancient African Writing Systems and Knowledge: Proto-Sumerian Writing
Skeleton evidence is there
Eye-witness accounts, religious similarities, linguistic affinities, skeletal evidence, Biblical references, architectural patterns, and oral traditions all point to an early African origin for the Sumerians of Iraq.

A "Sumerian legend" is not a valid source.

We've discussed those authors before and the fact remains that those guys are just putting forth theories based on wishful thinking.

If some advanced African empire was going around founding colonies all over the ancient world there would be records stating so. There are none.
 

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It's common sense.

Lets use some deductive logic.

Every man came out of East Africa and by 15,000 BC had blanketed the Earth. Anatolian/Indo-European groups don't appear in the Levant until 2500 BC, meaning the people in the Levant prior could not have been Arab (a mixed race) or White. Also, White skin didn't appear until 6000 BC.

Sumerian and Egyptian cultural exchange (sphinxes, stelas, writing, etc) hints at migration

Sumer's "civilization" arose slightly earlier because they HAD to settle on the Tigris and Euphrates. Meanwhile, the wet Sahara was ripe with fish, berries and wildlife so Africans could be nomadic from Niger to Egypt and had no need to settle until the Sahara began to dry, around 5000 BC.

Last but not least, Afro-Asiatic language arose in East Africa and spread to the Levant. Sumerian has Afro-Asiatic substrates :mjpls:
http://starling.rinet.ru/Texts/afrfarm.pdf
 

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It's common sense.

Lets use some deductive logic.

Every man came out of East Africa and by 15,000 BC had blanketed the Earth. Anatolian/Indo-European groups don't appear in the Levant until 2500 BC, meaning the people in the Levant prior could not have been Arab (a mixed race) or White. Also, White skin didn't appear until 6000 BC.

Sumerian and Egyptian cultural exchange (sphinxes, stelas, writing, etc) hints at migration

Sumer's "civilization" arose slightly earlier because they HAD to settle on the Tigris and Euphrates. Meanwhile, the wet Sahara was ripe with fish, berries and wildlife so Africans could be nomadic from Niger to Egypt and had no need to settle until the Sahara began to dry, around 5000 BC.

Last but not least, Afro-Asiatic language arose in East Africa and spread to the Levant. Sumerian has Afro-Asiatic substrates :mjpls:
http://starling.rinet.ru/Texts/afrfarm.pdf

While sumer arose slightly earlier those civilizations along with the Indus were contemporaries for the most part, it doesn't make sense that they had different languages, God's, customs, etc if they were in fact the same people racially. To my knowledge the Sumerian language is an isolate meaning it doesn't belong to any established linguistic group.

Also the representations the Sumerians made of themselves don't look anything like Egyptians who were undoubtedly a black people.
 

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While sumer arose slightly earlier those civilizations along with the Indus were contemporaries for the most part, it doesn't make sense that they had different languages, God's, customs, etc if they were in fact the same people racially. To my knowledge the Sumerian language is an isolate meaning it doesn't belong to any established linguistic group.

Also the representations the Sumerians made of themselves don't look anything like Egyptians who were undoubtedly a black people.

Libyans, Egyptians and Nubians depicted themselves differently and all were African, no?

And Egypt and Sumer DID share similar gods and customs... Gobekli Tepe??

And Sumerian has Afro-Asiatic substrates meaning those people probably spoke Afro-Asiatic first before Sumerian displaced it http://starling.rinet.ru/Texts/afrfarm.pdf

Show me a group of White people that look like this below and remember Arabs did not exist yet. Show me what non-admixed Whites have wide noses and curly locs

Sumer_Sargon.jpg

Sargon_of_Akkad.jpg


2bb5ecf2c805583affff80abffffe415.jpg

Sumer_woman.jpg





Now compare to how Indus Valley people depicted themselves

Mohenjo-daro_Priesterk%C3%B6nig.jpeg
 

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A "Sumerian legend" is not a valid source.

We've discussed those authors before and the fact remains that those guys are just putting forth theories based on wishful thinking.

If some advanced African empire was going around founding colonies all over the ancient world there would be records stating so. There are none.

So they are questionable even though they went and spent time in those countries and European sources aren't? I guess if it was on in Britannica or History channel it would be all good?
 

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Libyans, Egyptians and Nubians depicted themselves differently and all were African, no?

And Egypt and Sumer DID share similar gods and customs... Gobekli Tepe??

And Sumerian has Afro-Asiatic substrates meaning those people probably spoke Afro-Asiatic first before Sumerian displaced it http://starling.rinet.ru/Texts/afrfarm.pdf

Show me a group of White people that look like this below and remember Arabs did not exist yet. Show me what non-admixed Whites have wide noses and curly locs

Sumer_Sargon.jpg

Sargon_of_Akkad.jpg


2bb5ecf2c805583affff80abffffe415.jpg

Sumer_woman.jpg





Now compare to how Indus Valley people depicted themselves

Mohenjo-daro_Priesterk%C3%B6nig.jpeg

I never said they were white.

I wouldn't say those images resemble whites, but they don't really look "black" either. Those noses aren't wide at all.

I can't view your PDF on mobile, but again, to my knowledge attempts have been made to link the Sumerian language to others but nothing concrete has been established. It's considered to be unique and unrelated to anything else.
 

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So they are questionable even though they went and spent time in those countries and European sources aren't? I guess if it was on in Britannica or History channel it would be all good?

What kind of advanced empire goes around establishing colonies without leaving any kind of record of them doing so?
 
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