Was hip-hop ever truly dead?

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hip-hop has never died yall just got old :flabbynsick:


More like got older, matured, and expanded our music selection. Regardless though, its painfully obvious the music is not getting better for the most part. Way too much saturation to the point of it being so overwhelming that the genre as a whole looks bad. To be straight with you its almost embarrassing. I'll be honest with you, if you dig the Migos, I probably look down on you as a person and as a man. Even white boys are asking when did Hip Hop get so bad? Watching BET Jams is like watching white paint dry. No creativity, too many 35mm videos, too many homosexuals, too many Travis Scott clones, too many 2 Chains flows, too many Mike Will imitation beats, etc.. Its just bad right now.

Lets be honest too, for the most part, this generation of "artists" really aren't talented. Compared to actual musicians, you know with instruments, the modern day rapper and producer is an embarrassment. The listeners are embarrassments too, thank God one doesn't have to work with or live around them.
 

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90's mainstream HipHop was very lyrical and then was stalled with the Shiny Suit Era but picked back up with the higher end underground/semi mainstream acts like Talib, Mos Def, Monch etc by the late 90's and early 2000s..HipHops lyricism by the mid 2000's because of the popularity of Crunk turned into almost nothing more than Chants and Call & Response which is/was part of the reason why Nas said HipHop was dead





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The rappers you are thinking about weren't popular because they were lyrical.

They were popular cause they knew how to make great music.
 

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The rappers you are thinking about weren't popular because they were lyrical.

They were popular cause they knew how to make great music.


I never said they were popular because of lyrics only I said they were semi mainstream to mainstream while being lyrical while when Crunk and it's offsprings started taking over in the mid-2000s, mainstream rap that was on the airwaves and being promoted was mainly chanted with call and response and not lyrical based. Now, one can make good music with just chants and call and response (that's what Go-Go was and early pre-recording HipHop) but that was a step backwards to most heads who are into lyrics and what Rap had progressed into.
 

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Look at the first page of the Booth, and you will have your answer...

Nothing to do with the music...People want somebody to be "successful" first, then they can vicariously live through them...:russ:
 

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I think about this sometimes, in the wee hours of the morning. Was there ever a point when hip-hop died was revived? I feel like around the time when all those southern rap groups made those terrible songs and minstrel like dances. Can anyone think of a time when Hip-hop was dead?
The autotune era:scust: couldn't even listen to radio especially wayne with that lollipop song
 

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"Makin em think hiphop is dead
Exhume the body if you aint scared" - Big Boi
 

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Hip Hop aint really Hip Hop anymore tbh

I like tons of new shyt from this era, but its not fair to the older classics and the new ones, to compare them

Hip Hop is on some post/prog/fusion/industrial/alt/punk shyt right now. Rock hasnt been Rock since the 70s and sub-genres took over. Difference is, those genres were acknowledged by the media and the industry so that distinctions can be made and everyone can get their due credit

That way Drake, Jeremih, Young Thug, Kendrick and Em (random example) aren't being nominated for the same awards and put on the same shytty Top Whatever lists
This. I've been saying to myself recently hip-hop is going through a mix of what jazz and moreso rock went through. The subgenres have yet to be categorized as such and gets thrown in as "hip-hop" when really its some other shyt.

I can't speak for other (semi-)purists but I'd probably appreciate a lot of shyt more if it was categorized differently.
 

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allow major labels to control the available talent and this is what you get, the so called age of classics in the 90s was when nikkas held creative control over their own shyt and handled their careersindependently, etc Death Row, Early Rocafella, Horrorcore Memphis, The Screwed Up Click Down in Texas. By the 2000s, all that died, and began the rise of commercialized rap music where radio play was the main objective and since radio only plays upbeat music and caters to primarily woman, the actual sound and style of the music started to transform into what we currently have today. Nigggas dont even rap anymore, melody is the focus; songs are 70% hook with mumbling in between
 
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