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This ish makes Cole look much better in comparison. Own beats, lyrics, melodies...without a machine to lay down his album for him.
I actually like Cole better....but Drake makes catchy songs
This ish makes Cole look much better in comparison. Own beats, lyrics, melodies...without a machine to lay down his album for him.
I actually like Cole better....but Drake makes catchy songs
At all…I still play that "Give Ya" like its Brand Newit may have flopped but it was a good song
hasn't aged that badly tbh
Also people like to say "Drake was fire out the gate". No he wasn't. He dropped a single and it flopped. At that time Trey Songs was up and coming too but he a couple of hit RnB songs and 2 albums that sold pretty well so that was a big feature for an unknown at the time. He went down south and revamped his image. Got the Wayne co-sign and the rest is history.
Also, drake isn't hip hop, dude is pop. And pop artist don't write their shyt and are manufactured so this doesn't surprise me
LinkBut dudw thinks hes the best rapper of this era... He acts like it and says it... Also ijust read an article about how drake was clearly ahead of kendrick cole etc on Fader
Nickelus F On Working With Drake, Ghostwriting
Meek Mill speaking tweeting about Drake’s Atlanta-based ghostwriter has fueled the ever-fiery discussion on what constitutes originality in hip hop, which ultimately garners an emcee respect. It’s no secret that some craft their own sound while others seek help. Despite other rappers’ disdain for outsourcing material, artists like Nickelus F, who worked with Drake way before Thank Me Later, sees the value in what is perceived as ghostwriting. When we spoke to the Virginia wordsmith and producer, he had no problem keeping it a stack about the current ghostwriting spats and how they affect his upcoming project, TRIFLIN’.
Mass Appeal: You spoke about giving Drake bars, so would you consider yourself a former ghostwriter of Drake at this point?
Nickelus F: No, I am not a former ghostwriter for Drake. He’s immensely talented and personal in his music. The depths that he goes to in his personal reflection can’t be written by anyone else. And it’s his personal honest moments that people love him for the most. i.e. “The Calm.”
On Twitter, you made a good point about ghostwriting not really making a difference when the artist already has a core fan base that can’t be swayed. However, it doesn’t seem odd when rappers who pride themselves on being the best out, get help for their bars?
If you’re battle rapping, yes it matters. Look at Prez Mafia—only battle rap followers will understand that reference. But in terms of entertainment, it’s been proven that it doesn’t matter. People connect with the person you are. I feel like fans nowadays aren’t as concerned with if the person is a good writer. Only other writers care about that. Look at it like this: Quentin Tarantino makes extraordinary films and in general receives all the credit for the movies. But do you think he sat down and wrote that script word for word? Of course he didn’t. Does it matter? Of course not. We love the movies anyway, and we call them Quentin Tarantino movies. That analogy pertains specifically to the question of if ghostwriting matters, not if Drake has a ghostwriter, because I can’t speak on what I don’t know.
How do you feel about the effects of outing a ghostwriter and the pending lack of work that will follow because of the negative stigma attached to ghostwriting in rap?
For ghostwriting in general, I support it. At the end of the day, it’s about good music. That’s what the fans want. I don’t care who’s in the studio with Kanye tossing out one-liners and what not. Kanye sells that **** and is the orchestrator of it all. And on top of that, he’s in my top 5. Along with Jay, MF DOOM, Raekwon, and Future Hendrix. But not everyone has the voice, or personality, or look, or opportunity to “make it big.” There are a lot of talented writers out here who don’t have access to good production, or the proper vision to bring a project together correctly. But everybody needs to eat right?
And just to throw this in…yall can’t go questioning Drake’s pen when he says he was ready to battle Mook. Annnnd on top of that, Drake’s pen game is way crazier than Meek’s.
everyone was wondering where did this whole woe thing come from "woes woes" is it new orleans?
Google Devontae Woe ... Dude is from scarborough. He got a few owl sweaters and shyt now... Im sleep tho :sleep:
But dudw thinks hes the best rapper of this era... He acts like it and says it... Also ijust read an article about how drake was clearly ahead of kendrick cole etc on Fader
That cuz "we" have allowed cacs to infiltrate and dictate to us what the fukk our own shyt is. They got us talking bout "sampling isn't real music" and "u can't play an instrument, you're not a real musician" and "it's just rapping anyone can do that" so now they feed us bs and some of us regurgitate it. A lot of this shyt isn't hip hop, it's pop. U don't write your own lyricsBut dudw thinks hes the best rapper of this era... He acts like it and says it... Also ijust read an article about how drake was clearly ahead of kendrick cole etc on Fader
you do know he took months...almost a year to respond to tyga