Vince Carter ranks the best player he ever played against (hint: Jordan, Kobe, LeBron involved)

[Raw Lyrics]

Again, I'm not saying he was a bum. I can agree that he was nearly great, but not quite...

We philosophically disagree on how longevity affects legacy in this instance, that's fine. I've been watching the game 20 years, you're damn near at 30, I think we both have more than enough validity and experience to support our arguments!

Two truly great players are retiring now, Wade and Dirk. Vince at his best is several tiers below them. While its impressive he still has the hunger and physical ability to play, a big part of this to me is that at his best, a number of guys were better. We're not talking about a guy who defined an era--->Vince defined a season or three and only in a really niche manner, being an awesome dunker...

The fact that he has never accomplished anything of note looms large, too. Never carried a team deep into the playoffs. Not a great defender or great shooter. No awards, no Top 5 MVP finishes. No All-NBA. We only romanticize Vince because of how long he's played and because he was the GOAT dunker in a period of 2-3 elite years (if that), and 5-7 total B-level years...

 

[nieman]

Again, I'm not saying he was a bum. I can agree that he was nearly great, but not quite...

We philosophically disagree on how longevity affects legacy in this instance, that's fine. I've been watching the game 20 years, you're damn near at 30, I think we both have more than enough validity and experience to support our arguments!

Two truly great players are retiring now, Wade and Dirk. Vince at his best is several tiers below them. While its impressive he still has the hunger and physical ability to play, a big part of this to me is that at his best, a number of guys were better. We're not talking about a guy who defined an era--->Vince defined a season or three and only in a really niche manner, being an awesome dunker...

The fact that he has never accomplished anything of note looms large, too. Never carried a team deep into the playoffs. Not a great defender or great shooter. No awards, no Top 5 MVP finishes. No All-NBA. We only romanticize Vince because of how long he's played and because he was the GOAT dunker in a period of 2-3 elite years (if that), and 5-7 total B-level years...

There isn't a huge gap between Dirk & Vince? Vince is definitely not several tiers below him. He's made All-NBA teams 2nd & 3rd. That '01 Series/duel vs AI was epic. I think 76ers won game 7 of semis by 1-2 points, if I remember correctly. He defined an era as much as anyone. Vince was 00-05. AI, Kobe, Tmac & Vince was the discussion. Hell, Vince last season in Toronto, they were saying he was unmotivated, and once he got traded to NJ, he was rejuvenated and back to form.

Back to Dirk, he's never not had a stacked squad and he's been out of 1st round what...5x in 17 years? KG was another routine 1st Rd exit..only once in Minny (Kevin Garnott)...Chris Paul etc.

 

[GreatestLaker]

There isn't a huge gap between Dirk & Vince? Vince is definitely not several tiers below him.

This basketball shyt ain't for you. Go watch hockey.

 

[murksiderock]

There isn't a huge gap between Dirk & Vince? Vince is definitely not several tiers below him. He's made All-NBA teams 2nd & 3rd. That '01 Series/duel vs AI was epic. I think 76ers won game 7 of semis by 1-2 points, if I remember correctly. He defined an era as much as anyone. Vince was 00-05. AI, Kobe, Tmac & Vince was the discussion. Hell, Vince last season in Toronto, they were saying he was unmotivated, and once he got traded to NJ, he was rejuvenated and back to form.

Back to Dirk, he's never not had a stacked squad and he's been out of 1st round what...5x in 17 years? KG was another routine 1st Rd exit..only once in Minny (Kevin Garnott)...Chris Paul etc.

2000-2005 was the height of Vince's popularity. He still wasn't as good as you guys want to remember him...

I don't get the VC stanning but I'll let yall cook lmaooooo...

 

[Swagnificent]

You have to consider their accomplishments. Talent and ability only goes so far, and not that far, truth be told...

Vince is clearly not a Top 20 player of the 2000s. Borderline even Top 25. You have a nostalgia for Vince from his early years. How old are you?

I rank players in the same order I would pick them if we were at the park.

Accomplishments are most of the time a by product of chance. Skill and ability are not.

I would take Vince Carter over a lot of players with more accomplishments because he was more talented.