“Villanova Dogs and a Domesticated WildKAT... Make It Make Sense..." Official 2024 NY Knicks off-season Thread

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

Most NBA fans won't see the value in Mitch but him getting those offensive rebounds was one of the biggest reasons we were able to have such an efficient iso based offense. He's still very underrated on defense too.

The Knicks still have this weird stigma around the team that keeps other people from accurately assessing them.

 

[Ironman]

Most NBA fans won't see the value in Mitch but him getting those offensive rebounds was one of the biggest reasons we were able to have such an efficient iso based offense. He's still very underrated on defense too.

The Knicks still have this weird stigma around the team that keeps other people from accurately assessing them.

We lose to the Cavs without him

 

[The God Poster]

Most NBA fans won't see the value in Mitch but him getting those offensive rebounds was one of the biggest reasons we were able to have such an efficient iso based offense. He's still very underrated on defense too.

The Knicks still have this weird stigma around the team that keeps other people from accurately assessing them.

He’s not worth multiple 1st tho

 

[ISO]

He’s not worth multiple 1st tho

He is because teams are starting to value offensive rebounding.

Mitch on most nights is a double double and bringing paint protection and now with his weight loss he could be more switchable and able to pay higher on the P&R and block threes like he used to. He brings no range, post moves, and doesn’t screen well but his positives and impact outweigh his weaknesses.

Mitch is a young above average big the average first rounder is a bum.

 

[DPresidential]

We are not trading RJ for a 33 year old Jrue.

 

[Wargames]

He’s not worth multiple 1st tho

Yeah he is because he is a defensive anchor and very good rebounder. Basically a Tyson Chandler type of center.

He’s worth more than a first rounder

 

[ISO]

Holiday said he wants to hang up the jersey in 2 years. He's 33 now. He wants another ring so him coming here would be fukking stupid. This team not a title contender Jrue does what? Adds maybe 5 more wins? That does nothing in the grand scheme but make us have less picks and cap. He's going to be washed in another season that's an Isaiah Thomas move

Who says we’re not a title contender with Jrue? The league is wide open right now there is a lot of parity. U can't think that way lol the FO will also still have plenty of assets after the trade to potentially bring in Hoel.

With Jrue we aren't losing anything. Fournier's expiring contract, one of Barrett who is addition by subtraction or Quickley who we'd need to extend and who could potentially start elsewhere, and maybe a pick or two. Jrue fits Thibs and our unit like a glove we added Donte as a depth piece as well. Also, no Jrue isn't going to be washed he is coming off one of the better seasons of his career. His game isn't based off athleticism he is a big physical guard with footwork. Holiday will remain effective into his mid-30's barring major injuries

There is almost no downside to trading for him.

 

[ISO]

We are not trading RJ for a 33 year old Jrue.

Gotta let it go G.

This is the type of splash the Knicks need to make.

At this point Jrue Holiday is a much better player than RJ Barrett.

 

[Knicksman20]

 

[storyteller]

We are not trading RJ for a 33 year old Jrue.

You know I go to bat for RJ. But I genuinely think Jrue is worth it. He's arguably the best perimeter defender in the NBA, and a better floor spacer for everyone else. We'd have a size concern, but it'd be a lot easier to find a big wing role player then an all-star who fits Thibs and Brunson this well.

To put it in perspective. You'd be looking at a rotation of Holiday, Grimes, IQ, Hart, and Divincenzo on the wings. That's with Mitchell Robinson and I-Hart waiting in the paint. The defense would have everything necessary to cover for Brunson and Randle's weaknesses on that end.

 

[DPresidential]

You know I go to bat for RJ. But I genuinely think Jrue is worth it. He's arguably the best perimeter defender in the NBA, and a better floor spacer for everyone else. We'd have a size concern, but it'd be a lot easier to find a big wing role player then an all-star who fits Thibs and Brunson this well.

To put it in perspective. You'd be looking at a rotation of Holiday, Grimes, IQ, Hart, and Divincenzo on the wings. That's with Mitchell Robinson and I-Hart waiting in the paint. The defense would have everything necessary to cover for Brunson and Randle's weaknesses on that end.

You and @ISO have me conflicted

Would we be trading RJ AND picks?!

 

[storyteller]

You and @ISO have me conflicted

Would we be trading RJ AND picks?!

The proposal I saw was RJ and Fournier plus 2 picks (or IQ, I-Hart, Fournier plus 2 picks but I prefer the RJ version). But they didn't specify which picks. I'd guess at least one is protected.

 

[In The Zone '98]

Jrue doesn't fit the timeline or needs at his size.

As much I dislike RJ. I ain't trading him for somebody 5 inches shorter and 40 pounds lighter, lol.

 

[ISO]

Jrue doesn't fit the timeline or needs at his size.

As much I dislike RJ. I ain't trading him for somebody 5 inches shorter and 40 pounds lighter, lol.

What does this matter. Jrue is far better than Barrett on both ends. Also, Jrue is 3 inches shorter and just as sturdy built.

The Knicks would literally be better off defensively with Jrue or Grimes despite any differences in size because Barrett is that bad defensively especially off the ball.

 

[Ironman]

He is because teams are starting to value offensive rebounding.

Mitch on most nights is a double double and bringing paint protection and now with his weight loss he could be more switchable and able to pay higher on the P&R and block threes like he used to. He brings no range, post moves, and doesn’t screen well but his positives and impact outweigh his weaknesses.

Mitch is a young above average big the average first rounder is a bum.

Most of this is because this team didn't have any type of staff structure when he was drafted here. We still don't have any skilled coaches for bigs like we have with J Bryant for guards. Mitch IS our defense without him this team falls off a cliff