Venezuela Reaches the Final Stage of Socialism: No Toilet Paper

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I dun told @Napoleon to stop dapping me numerous times breh.

OK, if we are counting partial application then the net grows wider. But @Broke Wave's assertion that the only diff in society today vs the past is how far we've come w/socialist programs has no bearing on reality and only reflects his (and your) very narrow metrics of progress.

I CAN'T WAIT till you nikkas enter the real world and start making actual money.

First of all, I make more money than you, so that appeal to authority is moot. I work in the Oil Sands and have proven my income many times on here. Secondly, characterizing me as a restributionist is patendly untrue. I was saying that in my opinion, the signature achieviements of human history have been through alturisic shifts in governing norms. Rome was less advanced than the middle ages but obviously Rome was closer to today than were the middle ages in terms of thought and modernity. I dont have a narrow world view at all. I dont classify people when they hold opposing views, thats what people do when they have narrow world views.

I dont even believe in marxism or socialism but @Swavy Karl Marx 's differences in ideology with me are irrelevent... He is right
 

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First of all, I make more money than you, so that appeal to authority is moot. I work in the Oil Sands and have proven my income many times on here. Secondly, characterizing me as a restributionist is patendly untrue. I was saying that in my opinion, the signature achieviements of human history have been through alturisic shifts in governing norms. Rome was less advanced than the middle ages but obviously Rome was closer to today than were the middle ages in terms of thought and modernity. I dont have a narrow world view at all. I dont classify people when they hold opposing views, thats what people do when they have narrow world views.

I dont even believe in marxism or socialism but @Swavy Karl Marx 's differences in ideology with me are irrelevent... He is right
welp, the gloves are off :whoo:
 

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> Karl Mark Economics
Wait, did someone in this thread seriously imply things would have been different if Venezuela followed the economic school of thought found in Capital...:russ:
 

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I dun told @Napoleon to stop dapping me numerous times breh.

OK, if we are counting partial application then the net grows wider. But @Broke Wave's assertion that the only diff in society today vs the past is how far we've come w/socialist programs has no bearing on reality and only reflects his (and your) very narrow metrics of progress.

I CAN'T WAIT till you nikkas enter the real world and start making actual money.

Poverty levels and standards of living are narrow metrics of progress now? Never heard that stance before but sounds interesting.

Just what do you think is going to happen when I enter the "real world?"
 

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Poverty levels and standards of living are narrow metrics of progress now? Never heard that stance before but sounds interesting.
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Prove to me that socialist programs are the only forces driving those metric changes.

Just what do you think is going to happen when I enter the "real world?"
You will gain an appreciation for earning your keep instead of having it being given to you, for starters. Broke Wave is at least for socialist programs (which I am too BTW) rather than full on communism like you, I'm guessing due to the fact that he makes good money and feels no issue with paying taxes to support others (as I do)

My gripe with communism is that it's ridiculous. My gripe with socialism is that many of its proponents use it as a cover for exacting revenge and punishing their enemies rather than solving problems. But socialist programs are def beneficial for society
 

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Prove to me that socialist programs are the only forces driving those metric changes.


You will gain an appreciation for earning your keep instead of having it being given to you, for starters. Broke Wave is at least for socialist programs (which I am too BTW) rather than full on communism like you, I'm guessing due to the fact that he makes good money and feels no issue with paying taxes to support others (as I do)

My gripe with communism is that it's ridiculous. My gripe with socialism is that many of its proponents use it as a cover for exacting revenge and punishing their enemies rather than solving problems. But socialist programs are def beneficial for society

Never said they were, they aren't, you said they attacked a narrow metric towards society's betterment. They don't.

I have an appreciation for earning, don't have an appreciation for exploitation of labor tho. Hence the whole communist thing.
 

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In the 1980s shortages continued in basic consumer items, even in major population centers. Such goods occasionally were rationed in major cities well into the 1980s. Besides the built-in shortages caused by planning priorities, shoddy production of consumer goods limited actual supply. Poor work practices such as shturmovshchina were partly to blame for quality problems.

Analyzing shortages in Soviet Union showed very uneven distribution among the population. For example, both Moscow and Leningrad, which were heavily visited by foreigners, were supplied much better than the rest of the country and did not have rationing until the late 1980s. Similarly, presence of goods on the shelves in a state store in a minor city often could simply mean that these goods were rationed and could not be bought at will. But in most cases shortages simply meant either empty shelves or long waiting lines. There were also some hidden channels of goods distribution; for example, in many cases goods were directly distributed/sold at places of work totally bypassing the store shelves.

While it was often possible to buy meat, milk and most kinds of produce on farmers markets (Russian: колхозный рынок), the prices there were typically two to four times higher than in state stores and the availability was highly seasonal.

During the 1980s, the wide availability of consumer electronics products in the West demonstrated a new phase of the Soviet Union's inability to compete, especially because Soviet consumers were becoming more aware of what they were missing. In the mid-1980s, up to 70% of the televisions manufactured by Ekran, a major household electronicsmanufacturer, were rejected by quality control inspection. The television industry received special attention, and a strong drive for quality control was a response to published figures of very high rates of breakdown and repair. To improve the industry, a major cooperative color television venture was planned for the Warsaw Television Plant in 1989.

Western specialists regarded the quality of goods available to be poor when judged by their standards and by the end of the 1980s, shortages became worse. By the time of the Soviet Union's collapse at the end of 1991, nearly every kind of food was rationed. Non-rationed foods and non-food consumer goods had virtually disappeared from state owned stores. While the gap was partially filled by non-state stores which started to appear in the mid-1980s, the prices in non-state stores were often five to ten times higher than in state stores and were often out of reach for the general population.

Consumer goods in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

More important than the damage caused by the US economic blockade is Cuba’s inadequate capital, as well as other problems typical of economically less developed countries — the export of commodities such as nickel and sugar amid unstable world prices — which in turn interact with the myriad economic shortcomings and contradictions of Soviet-style economies, including the failures of agriculture and the scarcity and poor quality of consumer goods.

In truth, Cuba’s achievements and failures resemble those of the Soviet Union, China, and Vietnam before these countries took the capitalist road, suggesting that systemic similarities are more significant than national idiosyncrasies and variations on the general Soviet model.
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/06/cuban-revolution-fidel-che-raul-castro/
 

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Never said they were, they aren't, you said they attacked a narrow metric towards society's betterment. They don't.

I have an appreciation for earning, don't have an appreciation for exploitation of labor tho. Hence the whole communist thing.
You. Advocate. For. The. Removal. Of. Private. Means. Of. Production. :mindblown:
 

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Start your own business and then have Ray The Janitor stand up and tell you that your employees need to be in charge.

Basically, socialism is for countries with a shytty education system. U kids sit here and talk sum socialism when u don't give a rat's ass about ur country or fellow man, which is a main goddamn component in that chickenshyt ideology. When u eliminate personal gain in favor of the "greater good", u have to have unbelievable suffering and tragedy for prolonged periods of time to galvanize the populace behind a politically feasible concept of said greater good. We are nowhere near that lvl and won't be as long as we keep shoveling bullshyt "greater good" ideologies to countries we either want to neutralize militarily or take advantage of economically.
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You see the problem with capitalism is that the poor don't even see themselves as poor, just temporarily not rich. People whole-heartedly buy into the American Dream of rags to riches when social mobility is non-existent for the majority of society who live in POORLY-FUNDED school districts which perpetuates their ignorance and inability to break through into the well paid careers.

Countries in Scandinavia have adopted free health and education systems which are some of the best in the world, to shoot down socialism as being for countries "with a shytty education system" is just :childplease:.

do you honestly believe that some children deserve a better education than others? Do you want to see a country where children who live in richer areas get a better education than those who live in deprived ones? :jrdncac:
 
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