US role in Haiti destruction

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Well from the people that were alive in the 60s and so on, they know firsthand that the country was a way better place...nikka i left haiti in 1998, i never saw a street traffic light till i came here to miami :yeshrug: seems like we stopped making progress...cant fault the white man for that...between 1990 and 2004 there were 4 military coups :yeshrug: cant fault the white man for that...frm independence in 1804 to the U.S occupation in 1915 haiti had 28 different presidents/heads of states :yeshrug: not the white man fault...


Coups that were sponsored by the US :yeshrug:

You must not be familiar with the monroe doctrine
 

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Coups that were sponsored by the US :yeshrug:

You must not be familiar with the monroe doctrine
Thats an excuse...and thats giving the white man waaay too much power...and that must mean haitians are gullible as fukk to kill their blacl brothers for the white man :yeshrug:...if so, we really aint shyt...
 

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@ejthompson23 white man did a number on your ass making your hate yourself and your people so bad :wow:

you forgot when the poor, miserable PEOPLE of Haiti successfully led large grassroots movements and democratically elected Artistede? and do you know what happened after that?
talking about the history of haiti without mentioning the century of US intervention is impossible. US involvement and France' is INSTRUMENTAL in why haiti is what it is today.

blaming your own people is a COWARD'S move. why are you so afraid of telling the truth about the real culprits? you seem to be another slave to power and authority
 

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@ejthompson23 white man did a number on your ass making your hate yourself and your people so bad :wow:

you forgot when the poor, miserable PEOPLE of Haiti successfully led large grassroots movements and democratically elected Artistede? and do you know what happened after that?
talking about the history of haiti without mentioning the century of US intervention is impossible. US involvement and France' is INSTRUMENTAL in why haiti is what it is today.

blaming your own people is a COWARD'S move. why are you so afraid of telling the truth about the real culprits? you seem to be another slave to power and authority
Smart guy i was in haiti when aristide got elected :skip: everybody know that election was rigged in his favor...france aint been involved in haiti since the 1800s when they got that fakkit president boyer to sign that bullshyt payment agreement to them...why is yanks tryna teach me haitian history? :beli:
 

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Smart guy i was in haiti when aristide got elected :skip: everybody know that election was rigged in his favor

yeah and how old were you? :mjlol: how was the election rigged in his favor and by who? :jbhmm:

if what you say about haitians is true then why the hell should i take a dumb ass haitian seriously about his countrys history?
and the fact you keep fallin back on "im haitian so i know more than you" lets me know you got no idea what you're talking about. :russ:
where ya sources at besides "my mama told me" bs :mjlol:

you need keep your head in them american text books and learn something dumb nikka :mjlol:
 

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yeah and how old were you? :mjlol: how was the election rigged in his favor and by who? :jbhmm:

if what you say about haitians is true then why the hell should i take a dumb ass haitian seriously about his countrys history?
and the fact you keep fallin back on "im haitian so i know more than you" lets me know you got no idea what you're talking about. :russ:
where ya sources at besides "my mama told me" bs :mjlol:

you need keep your head in them american text books and learn something dumb nikka :mjlol:
nikka the lavalas party rigged the elections :skip: nikkas needed to have they fingerprint in blue ink to vote reported seeing thousands out the voting bootha without such ink...and aristide was a rpeacher with no political experience :skip: that nikka wasnt winning no election...again, yanks with no experience or knowledge of haiti tryna check me :beli: cmon nah...
 

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The information is opensource

Role of Hillary Clinton’s brother in Haiti gold mine raises eyebrows

The Clintons’ Haiti Screw-Up, As Told By Hillary’s Emails

The bigotry of U.S. policy in Haiti, by Hillary Clinton


This is all just very recent :yeshrug:(within the last 10 years)

America has exploited Haiti like how a pimp does a child prostitute.
And its haiti's fault for getting treated like a hoe :manny: we have no tribes in haiti yet our society is tribalistic as fukk :wtb: a house divided cannot stand...
 

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Well from the people that were alive in the 60s and so on, they know firsthand that the country was a way better place...nikka i left haiti in 1998, i never saw a street traffic light till i came here to miami :yeshrug: seems like we stopped making progress...cant fault the white man for that...between 1990 and 2004 there were 4 military coups :yeshrug: cant fault the white man for that...frm independence in 1804 to the U.S occupation in 1915 haiti had 28 different presidents/heads of states :yeshrug: not the white man fault...

who do you think is giving them the weapons and putting the battery in their back :martin:
 

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nikka the lavalas party rigged the elections :skip: nikkas needed to have they fingerprint in blue ink to vote reported seeing thousands out the voting bootha without such ink...and aristide was a rpeacher with no political experience :skip: that nikka wasnt winning no election...again, yanks with no experience or knowledge of haiti tryna check me :beli: cmon nah...

:laff: :laff: :laff: :laff: do you have ANY sources for these claims?

so coming out and voting in large numbers is "rigging an election" :whew: white man really owns your mind :wow:

i know you have no idea what you're talking about so i will teach you. the 1990-1991 election was HEAVILY MONITORED and is considered haiti's first free election. the lavalas PARTY DID NOT EVEN EXIST.:mjlol: it was a large grassroots MOVEMENT built up by peasants in the slums and hills and streets. people VOTING is not RIGGING :camby:

this is christian science monitor in 1990, but maybe you'll resort to blaming the white man as a liar when he praises the achievements of your people :leon:

WITNESSING Haiti's giant step toward democracy was almost as exhilarating for foreign observers at the Dec. 16 elections as it was for voters themselves. ''It was an absolute miracle,'' says Robert Rotberg, an expert on Haiti and one of 33 international election monitors serving on former President Carter's team there. Describing it as Haiti's first fully free election ever, he says everyone present could feel the voter determination to ''get it right'' this time.

The challenge was considerable. Haiti has one of this hemisphere's highest illiteracy rates and lowest per capita income levels. Its people have endured almost three decades of dictatorship under the Duvalier family. The last attempt at a genuine democratic election in 1987 led to the massacre of at least 34 voters.



Sobered, but not deterred, eligible Haitians registered in record numbers for this year's election. Several hundred international observers, including delegations from the United Nations and the Organization of American States (OAS), monitored about 14,000 polling places, each serving about 250 voters.
Despite equipment delays and occasional backups of voters, the process moved smoothly, these observers say. An estimated 2 million people voted, about 70 percent of registered voters.

Dr. Rotberg, president of Pennsylvania's Lafayette College, says his most exciting moment as an observer came during the ballot count. He and a colleague spent election day monitoring about 120 polling places in and near Cap-Haitien, Haiti's second largest city. Though in no way required to have election observers present for ballot tallying, polling officials wanted the added support. ''We were not just invited but commanded to appear,'' Rotberg says. ''They'd say, 'We're ready for you now.'''

Pride in the process

''In many cases, they would pass the ballot around to observers so we could also see how it was marked,'' notes Larry Garber, author of a handbook on guidelines for international election observers. He attributes the eagerness to include observers in the tallying to both pride and insecurity.

Mr. Garber, who has monitored 10 other democratic elections around the world in recent years, says this vote is ''a very important step forward for Haiti.'' Despite a persistent election rumor in Haiti that a plastic strip had been placed on each ballot, to be peeled away after the vote, Rotberg says it became clear at a post-election debriefing for all monitors in his group that fraud was no part of this vote. He says he saw only six or seven spoiled ballots. That, and the absence of violence during the election, are a remarkable achievement, he says.

The official joint statement of the Institute and Mr. Carter's, Council of Freely-Elected heads of government,describes the election campaign as ''remarkably peaceful,'' the count as ''meticulous,'' and the result - though votes are still being counted - an ''impressive success.'' The cooperation of Haiti's Army, which has staged several coups in recent years and is widely thought to have had a hand in the 1987 violence, has come in for praise.

Yet Garber says there were several occasions in recent months when Haiti's election process might easily have collapsed. He cites two instances. One was a squabble between Haiti's interim Council of State and interim Haitian President Ertha Pascal-Trouillot over what to do about the return to Haiti of two former associates of dictator Jean-Claude Duvalier.

Carter's role

Carter intervened, says Garber, to stress that Haiti's president was focused on the next positive step - elections - and that it was the important thing. Carter also led in urging the United Nations, which had been dragging its feet, to respond to a request from Haiti's leaders to send UN security advisers to work on election plans with the Army. The former president and others ''just kept on pushing to keep things on track,'' Garber says.

Other valuable election lessons have been learned, he says. One is not to ignore key segments of society, such as the armed forces, though they may have caused trouble in the past. ''I think the effort to co-opt Haiti's armed forces was successful,'' he says.

Deterring fraud in advance

Also important, he believes, are periodic advance visits by observers like Carter that keep the pressure on. ''You can't just come in on election day and expect to be able to observe in a really effective manner.''

Also, the tabulation of a parallel vote with an eye to confirming official results and deterring fraud was another key contribution of outside observers, provided by the UN and OAS in both Haiti and Nicaragua, Garber says.

In Haiti, where the vote was sampled in 150 polling stations, the practice takes on added significance because counting of the ballots has been so slow. Garber says it is this parallel vote count that conveyed news that Jean-Bertrand Aristide won the presidential before all ballots were counted.
and aristide policies, though limited by his environment, led to many positive gains. maybe i will school you on that later :myman:
 
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who do you think is giving them the weapons and putting the battery in their back :martin:
Why is the black man so gullible to white exploitation? :comeon: we seen the same scenario repeated for centuries butnyet we keep falling for it...
 

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:laff: :laff: :laff: :laff: do you have ANY sources for these claims?

so coming out and voting in large numbers is "rigging an election" :whew: white man really owns your mind :wow:

i know you have no idea what you're talking about so i will teach you. the 1990-1991 election was HEAVILY MONITORED and is considered haiti's first free election. the lavalas PARTY DID NOT EVEN EXIST.:mjlol: it was a large grassroots MOVEMENT built up by peasants in the slums and hills and streets. people VOTING is not RIGGING :camby:

this is christian science monitor in 1990, but maybe you'll resort to blaming the white man as a liar when he praises the achievements of your people :leon:


and aristide policies, though limited by his environment, led to many positive gains. maybe i will school you on that later :myman:
Aristide achieved nothing for the brief times he was in power...and i dnt care about what U.S media outlets say...youre quick to denounce the media as manipulative but also quick to praise it to prove your point :comeon: cant trust a nikka who speak frm both corners of his mouth :skip:...i lived in haiti during aristide being in power...my mom voted for his party twice :pachaha:...cant even fault him really, he's just one in a 200 year long line of fukked up ass visionless leaders...
 
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