upward mobility is a "myth"?

[DEAD7]

I wish he talked more about the studies themselves I'm not as quick to accept what he says as fact without evidence as you appear to be.

Not that he is wrong, but he basically came on and said I found this, and I think this, without saying how...

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

You disagree with this?

Yes.... what metrics is the author using to measure besides his own gut hunch and dislike of social scientists

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I wish he talked more about the studies themselves I'm not as quick to accept what he says as fact without evidence as you appear to be.

You were more than willing to accept the musings of the article you posted though

Dude in the OP says "disregard studies" you disregard studies... dude who doesn't disagree with you says 'based on studies x y z' now you want to see studies.....

 

[Pool_Shark]

dad came here with nothing, but he did it. I think you can do it if theirs a community of people that will help you.

 

[DEAD7]

You were more than willing to accept the musings of the article you posted though

Dude in the OP says "disregard studies" you disregard studies... dude who doesn't disagree with you says 'based on studies x y z' now you want to see studies.....

The OP made clear the difference between statistical brackets and flesh and blood human beings, something That can be understood and confirmed with little effort... and thats mainly what I agree with.

If you are suggesting they are both wrong thats fine. I didnt say he was right or wrong just that I wish he provided more info on the study.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

The OP made clear the difference between statistical brackets and flesh and blood human beings, something That can be understood and confirmed with little effort... and thats mainly what I agree with.

If you are suggesting they are both wrong thats fine. I didnt say he was right or wrong just that I wish he provided more info on the study.

Individual anecdotes (i.e. "flesh n blood stories") add up to statistical brackets. And just because you refuse to commit to explicitly agreeing or disagreeing with a side doesn't mean you don't make it abundantly clear where you stand.

Upward mobility in America is becoming a thing of the past for a myriad of statistically and factually demonstrable reasons. Anyone who makes an argument about a large number of people w/no regard for statistics (like the dude you quoted in the OP) is not to be taken seriously.

 

[DEAD7]

Individual anecdotes (i.e. "flesh n blood stories") add up to statistical brackets. And just because you refuse to commit to explicitly agreeing or disagreeing with a side doesn't mean you don't make it abundantly clear where you stand.

Upward mobility in America is becoming a thing of the past for a myriad of statistically and factually demonstrable reasons. Anyone who makes an argument about a large number of people w/no regard for statistics (like the dude you quoted in the OP) is not to be taken seriously.

Its clear you dont understand the difference between brackets and people.
Its not a matter of statistics vs anecdotes.

Question, whats wrong with asking for evidence of what the economist in the interview was saying

 

[Serious]

Its clear you dont understand the difference between brackets and people.
Its not a matter of statistics vs anecdotes.

Question, whats wrong with asking for evidence of what the economist in the interview was saying

I wish he talked more about the studies themselves I'm not as quick to accept what he says as fact without evidence as you appear to be.

Not that he is wrong, but he basically came on and said I found this, and I think this, without saying how...

bu bu bu but the researchers represent a prestigious university

 

[88m3]

someone isn't looking hard enough for their bootstraps

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Question, whats wrong with asking for evidence of what the economist in the interview was saying

I thought we were supposed to disregard any evidence showing a decline or absence in access to upward mobility? Now you want it? If someone provides it you will just follow the dude in the OP's lead and write it off "I dont need numbers"

 

[DEAD7]

I thought we were supposed to disregard any evidence showing a decline or absence in access to upward mobility? Now you want it? If someone provides it you will just follow the dude in the OP's lead and write it off "I dont need numbers"

New evidence can change my opinion on anything.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

New evidence can change my opinion on anything.

How can something you disregard for not confirming your bias change your opinion

 

[nineteeneightysix]

-Thomas Sowell

-Thomas Sowell

Where is dude getting all his numbers from...?

It's pointless to regard the article you posted without the original sources of data...It reads like propaganda to me...

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Also there is a difference between America declining or not having a lot of upward mobility, and "America (no longer being) a land of opportunity, and that upward mobility (being a) "myth."" I want to know what social scientists said that. A list with the US being middle of the road for upward mobility does not coincide with what this dude is talking about.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

The OP made clear the difference between statistical brackets and flesh and blood human beings, something That can be understood and confirmed with little effort... and thats mainly what I agree with.

Statistical "brackets" are made up of "flesh and blood" stories....they're stats covering people, not robots. How you are able to cognitively draw this fine distinction between the two is beyond me.

What Sowell is attempting to accomplish is to selectively made outliers representative of the whole in order to fulfill a political bias. It would be like me saying..."oh, five foot nothing white guys have just as good of a chance to get to the NBA as 6 foot eleven, athletic black man. I saw Steve Nash thrive in the NBA, which is a flesh and blood story that disproves statistical brackets"