United Healthcare CEO shot and killed in Midtown Manhattan this morning (Update 12/9: Suspect in custody)

[re'up]

This is a good example actually.

An airline does things like loses your bags, gets delayed repeatedly or says you can only travel with a teeny tiny bag before you have to pay extra. These things amount to a ruined vacation or you have to pony up an extra $50 because your suitcase doesn't fit? This frustrations might ruin a trip, and you swear off flying United or whatever, but interacting w/ airlines are not mandatory to live and so while airlines are often hated, no one is merking airline CEOs.

Airlines are not comparable to healthcare that might affect the ability for you and yours to live. Housing is a bit better, but only if we are talking +20 year mortgages or situations that are extremely exploitative such as no heating in the winter, lead poisoning, asbestos, etc.

Again, I ask the question... have you had any meaningful interactions w/ the healthcare system? IIRC, the stats show that the ppl in the US typically have a positive outlook provided they don't have to use it. As soon as Americans use the system, their ratings drop.

Qualifying the argument to exclude me if I haven't had a health issue is also not a valid argument, I don't think. We could trade personal stories about family, but it wouldn't make me make the same argument she is.

My main point is that the "it feels like violence" is bullshyt. And not everyone denied a claim dies, or is even that serious. They pay down a debt. They suffer. And that isn't really defensible, and I am not defending it, but my point is Violence is violence. And one can stretch a definition or over qualify an example or whatever but I think that example that she uses is terrible logic, and maybe a politically viable argument, I don't know, but it's something I notice more and more in our generation, and the ones below.

 

[bnew]

https://archive.is/Idoym

Spoiler: full text & large images

1/11
@INDIEWASHERE
not the felon talking about how it’s bad to like criminals

[Quoted tweet]
Donald Trump shares opinion on Luigi Mangione:

“How people can like this guy…that’s a sickness.”


https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1868711810649485312/vid/avc1/1280x720/nOCg2KNs7JekLCAJ.mp4

2/11
@notverygoth
according to america, you aren’t a criminal if you commit crimes and are visibly white. apparently that’s just a “patriot.”



3/11
@brownnsunn04
here comes the felon supporters



4/11
@jdarnell66
Still trying to ride that train? It's old and nobody pays attention to the "felon" thing.



5/11
@theandrewkase
I wouldn’t be surprised if he, or any of his rich friends, are next!



6/11
@lochhead
2025 is going to be a (very) tough year for you



7/11
@TommyS24999083
The felon response is getting old and nobody cares about the Trumped up charges ....Please get a clue.



8/11
@jreed
Not a terrorist nation supporter complaining about some business documents



9/11
@gtrxman
fukking idiot has an opinion



10/11
@tylerasonofgod
u are following the mob mentality moron



11/11
@castilloadina1
The left made a m*rder a fashion craze!




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[bnew]

‘Delay, Deny, Defend’ becomes Amazon bestseller after words carved into bullets used to killed UnitedHealthcare CEO

The cryptic message found on the bullet casings at the scene of the Midtown murder could refer to the ‘the three D’s of insurance’ — deny, delay, and defend — which is also the title of a book critical of the insurance industry

news.yahoo.com

‘Delay, Deny, Defend’ becomes Amazon bestseller after words carved into bullets used to killed UnitedHealthcare CEO​

Kelly Rissman

Wed, December 11, 2024 at 9:59 AM EST·3 min read

‘Delay, Deny, Defend’ becomes Amazon bestseller after words carved into bullets used to killed UnitedHealthcare CEO

The 2010 book Delay, Deny, Defend: Why insurance companies don’t pay claims and what you can do about it has become a bestseller on Amazon in the week since the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

The book’s title is reminiscent of the three words carved into the bullet casings — “deny,” “defend,” “depose” — found on the Midtown Manhattan street where 50-year-old Thompson was fatally shot on December 4. Luigi Mangione, 26, has been charged with murder in connection to Thompson’s death.

Investigators believed the cryptic words found on the bullet casings alluded to “the three D’s of insurance” — deny, delay, defend — which are tactics that critics say insurers use to avoid paying claims.

As of Wednesday, one week after the murder, Jay Feinman’s 14-year-old book skyrocketed to the top of Amazon’s insurance law category. The book is an “expose of insurance injustice and a plan for consumers and lawmakers to fight back” and includes stories from dozens of Americans who were “unfairly denied payment,” the description says

Luigi Mangione, 26, a suspect in the New York City killing of UnitedHealth executive Brian Thompson, poses shortly after being discovered by police at a McDonald's restaurant in Altoona, Pennsylvania. (Reuters)

The insurance executive’s death and Mangione’s arrest have sparked wide-ranging reactions across the country and fueled conversations about the health care system, with some celebrating the killing as a statement encapsulating Americans’ grievances with the industry. UnitedHealthcare, one of the largest health care networks in the country, insures nearly 30 million Americans, according to its website.

Mangione’s friends have said that the 26-year-old suffered from chronic back pain that interfered with his romantic life and ability to surf in Hawaii, where he had been living, the New York Times reported. He underwent surgery on his spine in 2023 and disappeared shortly thereafter. Just two weeks before the Manhattan attack, his mother reported him missing, the San Francisco Standard reported.

Thompson’s “targeted” death sparked a nationwide manhunt. Police pieced together the suspect’s movements and circulated photos of him. Six days later, a McDonald’s employee in Altoona, Pennsylvania recognized a customer nibbling on hash browns from NYPD’s photos, leading to the arrest of Mangione.

‘Delay, Deny, Defend’ has become an unexpected bestseller in the wake on UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson’s murder (Penguin)

Mangione was carrying “multiple fraudulent IDs,” a ghost gun, a suppressor, clothes and masks, all of which were “consistent with” the suspected shooter, NYPD said following his arrest Monday. He also had a handwritten three-page manifesto that “speaks to both his motivation and mindset,” police added.

Mangione faces a second-degree murder charge in connection with Thompson’s death in New York and forgery and gun charges in Pennsylvania.

At an extradition hearing on Tuesday, a judge denied him bail and the 26-year-old contested extradition to New York. He will remain at a Pennsylvania jail as the extradition process plays out.

“It’s completely out of touch and an insult to the intelligence of the American people and their lived experience!” he shouted after exiting a police car.

 

[bnew]

Amazon keeps having to pull ‘deny, defend, depose’ merch from online shelves

Amazon said the items violated its guidelines

www.independent.co.uk

Amazon keeps having to pull merch related to Brian Thompson’s murder from online shelves​

Amazon said the items violated its guidelines​

Graig Graziosi

Saturday 14 December 2024 10:58 GMT

Related video: Luigi Mangione: What we know about United Healthcare CEO shooting suspect

Amazon has been racing to remove merchandise sympathetic to the gunman accused of killed UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson from its online marketplace.

Police arrested a suspect in the shooting, 26-year-old Luigi Mangione, on Monday in Pennsylvania.

Merchandise with the words "deny," "defend," and "depose" — the words reportedly written on the bullets used in the shooting of Thompson — have been cropping up on Amazon items like hoodies, mugs, caps, pint glasses, and more, according to the Washington Post.

Some have taken the three words to be a reference to the 2010 book “Delay, Defend, Deny: Why Insurance Companies Don’t Pay Claims and What You Can Do About It.”

The book is critical of the privatized and profit-driven US healthcare industry. It is now sold out on several online book retailers.

Amazon isn't the only retailer to experience an influex of merchandise related to the shooting, with Etsy, eBay, TikTok and other online marketplaces also impacted.

Amazon told the Washington Post is was removing merchandise using the phrase, claiming it violates their guidelines.

Amazon did not specify which guidelines were violated by the products.

The Washington Post asked eBay about the items available on its platform. The online auction site said that items with the phrase "deny, defend, depose" are not banned, but "items that glorify or incite violence, including those that celebrate the recent murder of...Thompson, are prohibited."

GoFundMe has also had to pull pages made in support of the suspected gunman.

An spokesperson for the charitable platform told The Independent: “GoFundMe’s Terms of Service prohibit fundraisers for the legal defense of violent crimes. The fundraisers have been removed from our platform and all donors have been refunded.”

The merchandise and fundraising efforts reflect the mood seen among some social media users, who have used the shooting of the health insurance executive as launchpad for broader criticisms of the US healthcare industry in general.

A report by NBC News found that “internet slueths” who typically would jump at the chance to track down a criminal alongside their followers were sitting out the manhunt for Thompson’s killer. One, a woman named Savannah Sparks, wrote that she and her community were sitting out the search, but would offer up “concepts of thoughts and prayers.”

“It’s, you know, claim denied on my prayers there,” she said, clearly referencing the denial of healthcare insurance claims.

Luigi Mangione, 26, a suspect in the New York City killing of UnitedHealth executive Brian Thompson, arrives for his arraignment at Blair County Court House in Holidaysburg, Pennsylvania (via REUTERS)

Healthcare costs in the US far outpace inflation, and the for-profit model used in the US incentivizes companies to reject claims rather than ensure customers receive treatment.

According to KFF, a leading health policy organization, some insurers reject nearly one in five claims made by consumers. Medical bankruptcy is the number one cause of bankruptcy in the US, according to the American Bankruptcy Institute.

Mangione made an appearance Blair County Courthouse, Pennsylvania, on Tuesday. He was denied bail at the hearing and is fighting extradition back to New York.

 

[Dorian Breh]

I'd buy a Brian Thompson Rest in Piss You Won't Be Missed shirt

 

[Loose]

Terrorism charge some bs, if he killed some random person that wouldn't be applied

 

[SmoothOperator88]

Terrorism charge some bs, if he killed some random person that wouldn't be applied

Absolutely BS. Oligarchy trying to make a statement with these charges.

 

[Wild self]

https://archive.is/Idoym

Spoiler: full text & large images

1/11
@INDIEWASHERE
not the felon talking about how it’s bad to like criminals

[Quoted tweet]
Donald Trump shares opinion on Luigi Mangione:

“How people can like this guy…that’s a sickness.”


https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1868711810649485312/vid/avc1/1280x720/nOCg2KNs7JekLCAJ.mp4

2/11
@notverygoth
according to america, you aren’t a criminal if you commit crimes and are visibly white. apparently that’s just a “patriot.”



3/11
@brownnsunn04
here comes the felon supporters



4/11
@jdarnell66
Still trying to ride that train? It's old and nobody pays attention to the "felon" thing.



5/11
@theandrewkase
I wouldn’t be surprised if he, or any of his rich friends, are next!



6/11
@lochhead
2025 is going to be a (very) tough year for you



7/11
@TommyS24999083
The felon response is getting old and nobody cares about the Trumped up charges ....Please get a clue.



8/11
@jreed
Not a terrorist nation supporter complaining about some business documents



9/11
@gtrxman
fukking idiot has an opinion



10/11
@tylerasonofgod
u are following the mob mentality moron



11/11
@castilloadina1
The left made a m*rder a fashion craze!




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Be careful....that only will increase his chances of another attempt on his life

 

[Macallik86]

Qualifying the argument to exclude me if I haven't had a health issue is also not a valid argument, I don't think. We could trade personal stories about family, but it wouldn't make me make the same argument she is.

I am simply pointing out that your (lack) of experience is worth noting and that historically, people w/o experience w/ the healthcare industry have a rosier, more optimistic view.

My main point is that the "it feels like violence" is bullshyt. And not everyone denied a claim dies, or is even that serious.

I was not at risk of dying when they stiffed me for $3k and I have the means to pay it. Again, tho I think you are glossing over the main part: the healthcare companies don't know whether I can afford it and don't care, and they have been proven to have the same mindset for life-threatening procedures as well as evidenced by the tons of frustrated stories shared in the past few weeks

They pay down a debt.

Or they become homeless.

Medical Debt Puts Housing Out of Reach for Millions of Consumers | Consumers for Quality Care

The medical debt crisis, which effects an estimated 100 million Americans, forces millions to cut back on essentials, such as food, utilities, and even housing, according to KFF Health News. In communities like Denver, housing prices have skyrocketed in recent years, putting housing out of reach...

consumers4qualitycare.org

Presence of Any Medical Debt Associated With Two Additional Years of Homelessness in a Seattle Sample - PubMed

Although medical debt has been associated with housing instability, almost no research has connected homelessness to medical debt. We interviewed 60 individuals experiencing homelessness in Seattle, selected from those participating in self-governed encampments organized by a homeless advocacy...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

They suffer. And that isn't really defensible, and I am not defending it, but my point is Violence is violence.

Cambridge Dictionary Definition:

violence

1. actions that are intended or likely to hurt people or cause damage: 2…

dictionary.cambridge.org

We have different perspectives, I think that if someone denies a civilized society healthcare in order to make profit, society has the right to forgo civilized responses.

 

[re'up]

I am simply pointing out that your (lack) of experience is worth noting and that historically, people w/o experience w/ the healthcare industry have a rosier, more optimistic view.

I was not at risk of dying when they stiffed me for $3k and I have the means to pay it. Again, tho I think you are glossing over the main part: the healthcare companies don't know whether I can afford it and don't care, and they have been proven to have the same mindset for life-threatening procedures as well as evidenced by the tons of frustrated stories shared in the past few weeks

Or they become homeless.

Medical Debt Puts Housing Out of Reach for Millions of Consumers | Consumers for Quality Care

The medical debt crisis, which effects an estimated 100 million Americans, forces millions to cut back on essentials, such as food, utilities, and even housing, according to KFF Health News. In communities like Denver, housing prices have skyrocketed in recent years, putting housing out of reach...

consumers4qualitycare.org

Presence of Any Medical Debt Associated With Two Additional Years of Homelessness in a Seattle Sample - PubMed

Although medical debt has been associated with housing instability, almost no research has connected homelessness to medical debt. We interviewed 60 individuals experiencing homelessness in Seattle, selected from those participating in self-governed encampments organized by a homeless advocacy...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Cambridge Dictionary Definition:

violence

1. actions that are intended or likely to hurt people or cause damage: 2…

dictionary.cambridge.org

We have different perspectives, I think that if someone denies a civilized society healthcare in order to make profit, society has the right to forgo civilized responses.

I didn't even HAVE health insurance for a good 10 years, mostly out of sheer ignorance, not even that I couldn't pay, it was just out of my level of world comprehension. Didn't even understand credit cards as late as like 24. Only could see product and money. I come from a background of drug trafficking and jail and probation, that kind of shyt since I was a kid. So, to me, it was like I have to front the money monthly, on the condition that IF something happens, I am sort of covered? I just took my chances. Paid cash for everything I needed. Would not recommend. I got lucky.

My sister got hit by a car when she was 20, and faced like who knows how many tens thousands in bills, it worked out, but I didn't even want to tell these personal things, because it's not even important to the point I am making.

anyway, respect the convo, and think the argument you are making is extremely flattening and reductive, and dangerous in some ways, but we will keep the convo next time.

 

[Adeptus Astartes]

Lmao at charging this dude with terrorism. Rich people getting special treatment again.

Buffalo shooter didn't get those charges.

 

[Lexx Diamond]

Terrorism charge some bs, if he killed some random person that wouldn't be applied

Good sir. It is superfluous to say "white lives matter", here in the USA.

 

[AStrangeName]

Lmao at charging this dude with terrorism. Rich people getting special treatment again.

Buffalo shooter didn't get those charges.

Goes to show you on where this country's priorities are at, when previous terrorism has happened in this country and none of them got hit with terrorism charges.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Lmao at charging this dude with terrorism. Rich people getting special treatment again.

Buffalo shooter didn't get those charges.

Damn…


Guess it was true. It was never about racism in the long run. It was classism


A shady CEO/billionaire gets blown away… only him too, and they want to call dude the terrorist?

 

[3rdWorld]

Terrorism charge some bs, if he killed some random person that wouldn't be applied

Capitalism Sir.

You have to understand that corporate overlords move the economy, and fund political careers..so you are naturally expected to be beholden to them and put them ahead of yourself.