United Healthcare CEO shot and killed in Midtown Manhattan this morning (Update 12/9: Suspect in custody)
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Formerly Black Trash
Philosopher, Connoisseur, Future Legend
Absolutely is
Stop holding water for the elite
These rich ppl and the government fukk us every single day and you're crying about feelings
Piff Perkins
Veteran
I think it’s time to leave that blanket application of white/entitled/etc shyt in the past and bury identity politics. It’s lazy and makes no sense here. He’s rich, he’s white. I get it. He also watched a healthcare company ruin his mom’s life, and dealt with his own insurance issues due to his back. Is he supposed to say oh well I’m white so I can’t be upset about getting fukked?
What claims have you been denied? I've been on the hook for $3K for a preventative screening that should have been covered, but because the doctor found something, it was no longer covered. This is a bad faith policy and disinentivizes ppl to get screened which will likely lead to more deaths.
IRL, if someone basically created false 'gotchas' to reneg on a deal to buy a car, you might get pissed off. Now imagine if they did it for your health or in ways that affect your ability to live a healthy life. Now imagine if they did it to the people you love. Now imagine if instead of $3k, it was $30k or $300k. Now imagine if it made you homeless. That is how people feel indifferent/vitriol towards the apathy of CEOs and their decisions.
It's ironic that you use every murder/serial killer as a chance to try to play armchair psychologist and try to create a victim profile and psychoanalyze a cold-blooded murderer yet you lack the capacity to empathize with everyday people being fukked over by corporations and grasping onto any type of hero, flawed or otherwise.
I think this goes to the binary thing, where your post and the other attempt to put me on one side of this debate, and to me, it's not even a debate. I'm not taking a side here. I intellectually understand that people are angry, and personally, 100% have no regard for the business practices of health care companies. None. All of our major corporate practices are essentially dishonest in a lot of ways. From airlines to housing. You don't see me defending any kind of status quo.
but emotionally I just have don't have that reaction of anger, and of moral outrage, (which is the #1 driver of engagement on social media posts) or the kind of your side or mine.
@Piff Perkins, is there reporting on his Mom's health condition? I haven't seen any.
All respect, that is a strawman argument, and 'stacking the deck'
I think you are making it in good faith, but I can't fairly respond to an argument I am not making.
This is where the it "feels" like violence, and the use of the word is interesting. If someone's mother has a condition that is maybe fatal, and is denied coverage, which forces hardship, like debt and loss of work, and even ends in death, I get that, it's wrong, and it is painful. That is fundamentally not the same thing as someone gunning down the person's mother, like a stash house hit in Tijuana. Even if we are going to call the medical denial 'violence', which is a serious stretch for me, it's not the same as physical violence. Like an execution out of nowhere.
But, this is not me making some kind of "what about" argument about the CEO's murder. I'm not even saying murder is wrong, just that they are not the same things and it is a bad argument. A totally emotionally based one.
This is a good example actually.
An airline does things like loses your bags, gets delayed repeatedly or says you can only travel with a teeny tiny bag before you have to pay extra. These things amount to a ruined vacation or you have to pony up an extra $50 because your suitcase doesn't fit? This frustrations might ruin a trip, and you swear off flying United or whatever, but interacting w/ airlines are not mandatory to live and so while airlines are often hated, no one is merking airline CEOs.
Airlines are not comparable to healthcare that might affect the ability for you and yours to live. Housing is a bit better, but only if we are talking +20 year mortgages or situations that are extremely exploitative such as no heating in the winter, lead poisoning, asbestos, etc.
Again, I ask the question... have you had any meaningful interactions w/ the healthcare system? IIRC, the stats show that the ppl in the US typically have a positive outlook provided they don't have to use it. As soon as Americans use the system, their ratings drop.
Goat poster
KANG LIFE
Can you show me which party in this 2 party system isn't intrinsically in bed with ALL the big insurance companies?
A part of Luigi's point was that Voting ain't gonna cut it at this point
Voting does not cut it because a lot of people do not vote or vote for idiotic reasons. When you do not vote in people that are for the people over the years/decades, this is what you get. If most people voted and voted in their actual interests most of the politicians in congress would not be there.
You are more likely to hear "I am not into politics" or "I'm not political" if you ask people about politics and if not they are not knowledgeable on what is going on. These same people however will have complaints about everything and everything they complain about it controlled by politics. The people are to blame for the political landscape and until we as a country take voting seriously we will always be beholden to corporations and the rich.
Shooting a sociopath that is a part of a sociopathic business system is not going to change anything. C-Suite execs are easy to replace and the people doing the replacing don't give a shyt about a few getting popped.
they don't show any interest in the political process because they genuinely don't understand it. many americans lack an understanding and knowledge of civics which isn't an accident but a result of a decades long attack on our public education system. a lot of people don't know how society works and are on autopilot addressing their basic needs for survival. fatigue and disillusionment with the political process is also a factor.
National Survey Finds Just 1 in 3 Americans Would Pass Citizenship Test - Institute for Citizens & Scholars
Educating for democracy since 1945
citizensandscholars.org
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While true, this is the greatest time in history for self learning. Almost anything you want to educate yourself on you can from the internet. You can learn anything you want about politics and civics from your phone, while doing something else if you were busy. You can research the politicians that are running for their policies, verify the voting records of elected officials, etc...they don't show any interest in the political process because they genuinely don't understand it. many americans lack an understanding and knowledge of civics which isn't an accident but a result of a decades long attack on our public education system. a lot of people don't know how society works and are on autopilot addressing their basic needs for survival. fatigue and disillusionment with the political process is also a factor.
National Survey Finds Just 1 in 3 Americans Would Pass Citizenship Test - Institute for Citizens & Scholars
Educating for democracy since 1945
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You ask people about this and you will most likely hear them say they are too busy to do something like that, or something similar, but it is complete bullshyt. They will spend their time researching sports information that they really do not need. They will follow and get information about some musician or actor that will not change their material conditions. They will study information for a video game to play better but will not study to understand what politicians at different levels can do to either help or screw them over. People will find time to get a bunch of information or entertainment they do not need, but cant spare time to learn about politics or even things like training to get better jobs.
We are not in China, Russia or somewhere that trying to educate yourself on the country's political process will get you fukked up. Where trying to get information will get you arrested or pushed out of a window. We are in a country where educating yourself on politics and government is not a crime, not a shunned activity or a problem.
At this point in time, if you are a citizen of this country and you do not know or understand how politics work, that is a "you" issue and not the education system.
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