United Healthcare CEO killed in Midtown NYC; Luigi Mangione in custody of NYPD awaiting trial

[Apollo Kid]

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/new-york-playbook/2024/12/13/security-worries-00194193

 

[CrimsonTider]

This is unserious.

How do you go about overhauling a system without the proper support or votes?

 

[MAKAVELI25]

This is unserious.

Why do you consider this unserious?

We live in what can be characterized as a Democratic Republic, politicians do you have to be mindful of the general sentiments of the populace.

Even in countries like Saudi Arabia, China, and Russia, the autocrats are still mindful of the whims of the populace. For instance:

• A lot of the available evidence that we have seen suggests MBS doesn't care about the Palestinians, but he has to maintain a facade because the general Saudi populace care
• The CCP ending Zero Cov-ID because it was unpopular
• Putin's repeated lies to the Russian populace to justify the war in Ukraine

If even in autocratic countries, the leaders have be aware of the whims of the general populace, why would this not apply in a democracy/republic?

 

[mastermind]

How do you go about overhauling a system without the proper support or votes?

We just had the the tax system overhauled to favor the wealthy without proper support or votes.

I don't know if Americans are or are not interested in a government-run healthcare system because it's never been put in front of us. Even when FDR and Truman pushed for it during their presidencies, it never made it out of committee because of lobbying efforts.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

We just had the the tax system overhauled to favor the wealthy without proper support or votes.

I don't know if Americans are or are not interested in a government-run healthcare system because it's never been put in front of us. Even when FDR and Truman pushed for it during their presidencies, it never made it out of committee because of lobbying efforts.

Are you referring to the 2017 tax cuts? You may be underestimating the amount of Americans that still believe that 'trickle down' economics are a valid theory.

For instance, Trump talked about further lowering the tax rates this cycle, and people still voted for him. This is the same voters that seems to trust clowns like Musk and Ramaswamy, who have zero govt. experience between them, to make the govt. more efficient.

 

[CrimsonTider]

We just had the the tax system overhauled to favor the wealthy without proper support or votes.

I don't know if Americans are or are not interested in a government-run healthcare system because it's never been put in front of us. Even when FDR and Truman pushed for it during their presidencies, it never made it out of committee because of lobbying efforts.

That wasn’t a tax system overhaul, it was budget reconciliation. It was the exact same thing Biden did with the inflation reduction act.

Budget Reconciliation only needs 51 votes in senate

 

[CrimsonTider]

Are you referring to the 2017 tax cuts? You may be underestimating the amount of Americans that still believe that 'trickle down' economics are a valid theory.

For instance, Trump talked about further lowering the tax rates this cycle, and people still voted for him. This is the same voters that seems to trust clowns like Musk and Ramaswamy, who have zero govt. experience between them, to make the govt. more efficient.

The disconnect is that progressives think just passing laws that improve the American quality of life will win elections. That’s why we hey criticize Dems for being centrist

They don’t understand that no matter how good the intentions of policy is…Fox News and other right wing outlets will frame it as bad and problematic

 

[mastermind]

Are you referring to the 2017 tax cuts? You may be underestimating the amount of Americans that still believe that 'trickle down' economics are a valid theory.

For instance, Trump talked about further lowering the tax rates this cycle, and people still voted for him. This is the same voters that seems to trust clowns like Musk and Ramaswamy, who have zero govt. experience between them, to make the govt. more efficient.

I have no idea if Americans believe in that or not. I do know people were pissed after 2008 and they voted for someone to change things and bring hope. That didn't happen so they voted for someone who is anti establishment. That didn't work so they brought back the establishment. That didn't work, so they went back to the anti-establishment joker again.

We don't know any of that, tbf. I do know that no one asked Americans if we should give tax breaks to the wealthy, which is what you and @CrimsonTider say Americans would never go for.

The disconnect is that progressives think just passing laws that improve the American quality of life will win elections. That’s why we hey criticize Dems for being centrist

They don’t understand that no matter how good the intentions of policy is…Fox News and other right wing outlets will frame it as bad and problematic

this thinking is why Kamala Harris ran a 'flawless' campaign and lost to Trump.

 

[re'up]

When health insurance is tied to employment, how does that work? The company gets a wholesale discount from a Health insurance company, and includes that as part of the salary/benefits? Private sector representatives negotiate with healthcare companies for lower rates? What is the advantage to both parties?

I had this a long time ago, when I was like 22, but I never understood how it functionally worked.

 

[CrimsonTider]

I have no idea if Americans believe in that or not. I do know people were pissed after 2008 and they voted for someone to change things and bring hope. That didn't happen so they voted for someone who is anti establishment. That didn't work so they brought back the establishment. That didn't work, so they went back to the anti-establishment joker again.

We don't know any of that, tbf. I do know that no one asked Americans if we should give tax breaks to the wealthy, which is what you and @CrimsonTider say Americans would never go for.


this thinking is why Kamala Harris ran a 'flawless' campaign and lost to Trump.

In 08 didn’t people that vote for change get major healthcare reforms

When health insurance is tied to employment, how does that work? The company gets a wholesale discount from a Health insurance company, and includes that as part of the salary/benefits? Private sector representatives negotiate with healthcare companies for lower rates? What is the advantage to both parties?

I had this a long time ago, when I was like 22, but I never understood how it functionally worked.

Companies subsidize the healthcare cost of their employees. Or the better way to put it is that the employee and employer are splitting the cost of health care insurance. I think the going rate for large companies is the employer pays 75% and Employees pay 25%

The employees gets 500 a month taken from their check for health insurance for a family and the company is probably 1,500 a month for that employee and family.

 

[bnew]

https://archive.is/exgXM

 

[mastermind]

In 08 didn’t people that vote for change get major healthcare reforms

Yeah, that was the point of my post. People wanted to deviate from the normal.
(mind you, he didn't, but that's what people voted for. When he didn't change, they voted for the Joker. I think you also do not remember why I said 2008.)

 

[the cac mamba]

Are you referring to the 2017 tax cuts? You may be underestimating the amount of Americans that still believe that 'trickle down' economics are a valid theory.

For instance, Trump talked about further lowering the tax rates this cycle, and people still voted for him. This is the same voters that seems to trust clowns like Musk and Ramaswamy, who have zero govt. experience between them, to make the govt. more efficient.

the last time trump cut taxes,

-my paycheck went up
-my company gave everyone a random round of bonuses in april, because of the tax law. after the normal round of christmas bonuses

are people supposed to pretend like they didnt benefit, out of self righteousness?

 

[CrimsonTider]

Yeah, that was the point of my post. People wanted to deviate from the normal.
(mind you, he didn't, but that's what people voted for. When he didn't change, they voted for the Joker. I think you also do not remember why I said 2008.)

But things did change under Obama, especially for healthcare

 

[CrimsonTider]

the last time trump cut taxes,

-my paycheck went up
-my company gave everyone a random round of bonuses in april, because of the tax law. after the normal round of christmas bonuses

are people supposed to pretend like they didnt benefit, out of self righteousness?

He cut the corporate tax rate from 35 to 21 and it was permanent. All the individual stuff was set to gradually increase every year and phase out in 2025.