United Healthcare CEO killed in Midtown NYC; Luigi Mangione in custody of NYPD awaiting trial

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The irony that’s lost on most people is that most of the people that are celebrating this and hoping this sparks change, voted against universal healthcare when they voted against Hillary.

Even better. If you ask them if they want universal healthcare today, they’ll explain it away :snoop:
You'd be surprised just how many people take their marching orders from cable TV news pundits and political party propaganda. I've long since observed people don't like to think for themselves just fall in line with the herd that makes them feel most comfortable.
 

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You'd be surprised just how many people take their marching orders from cable TV news pundits and political party propaganda. I've long since observed people don't like to think for themselves just fall in line with the herd that makes them feel most comfortable.
You see it on this forum.

@IrateMastermind mentioned it earlier, but people hate their health insurance and hate their jobs yet make no demands on politicians for universal healthcare. Then it’s brought up as something we should advocate for, and they fall in line with what their favored party/candidate says.
 

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1. A lot of the outrage seems to center, implicitly, on the concept that all of us are born into some kinda of similar moral environment, with the same influences, and same life experiences, and same background, and then making decisions out of some deviation, some kind of willful turn to 'evil'. That concept doesn't feel fundamentally true to me. Ask yourselves who are the most moral people in your life and why they are like that. Is the world a moral place? I don't think it is.

2. The rapid way that social media has warped the world, into this binary place, where everything is based around your values and identity, every issue. My first reaction to this story was just pure interest and fascination. Who did this and why? How fast will he be caught? How would they catch him? It never emotionally occurred to me to put myself on a side. I am not a CEO, also not an avenging killer. I do think health care is a brutal industry. I do agree it's not fair at all. The two things never link in my mind.

3. I didn't have healthcare for like 10 years, 23-33 I could afford it, but was just ignorant and hated dealing with it, and just took my chances. Never had an issue. Went to emergency care for whatever minor concern came up. Planned Parenthood when I thought I had an STD (I did not) and EC for everything else. Paid like $200 cash every time. Paid out of pocket for anything and everything, but it was never more than a quick visit. Do have healthcare now.

4. This killer, is for sure, a total loser. College educated but underemployed, or in some nondescript data entry shyt. Not a high achiever. Lives with parents. Lives with room mates. Not entirely socially awkward, but not someone who is very adept in the world. Loner. Self righteous. Embittered. Grandiose thinking. Delusions of grandeur. Why relate to someone who likely did this because of his own deep insecurities and relative instability? Need for validation, to feel he had done something with his life. Like Reagan's guy. Hinckely.
 
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Yikes

All that money for military weapons
None for healthcare

Only for weapons to be turned on a healthcare CEO

It's giving Jon Q
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So... after the CEO gets shot, a couple of websites take down the C-Suite pages of Executives. That shyt is not going to help because there are folks within the same corporation who doesn't buy into the Corporate Mindset; here is the CEO, this is what he looks like.

While executives should rot in jail, instead of getting off easy... this whole shooting is just reinforcing that CEOs are not special people, piss someone off so much... there will be a bullet on your name on it.
"Ask Steve Jobs, wealth don't buy health"
 

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The irony that’s lost on most people is that most of the people that are celebrating this and hoping this sparks change, voted against universal healthcare when they voted against Hillary.

Even better. If you ask them if they want universal healthcare today, they’ll explain it away :snoop:
You also have to remember vast swaths of the electorate are functionally illiterate, both politically and literally, and can't be counted on to make rational and informed decisions. However, they can still be mobilized and when it comes to voting you have to figure out how to mobilize them at their level or in other circumstances where that can't be done, at least get them to point their hatred towards the right villains...like, kind of like in this case.

The political process has been completely hijacked by the aristocratic class to the point they don't have to listen to most of the public anymore. Trump regime is about to expedite it into hyperdrive. Its a good thing that across party lines and classes right now you see a heighten antipathy towards billionaires through this incident. Because now there is a general fear amongst the people who are acting fearless due to the lack of compassion they garner when one of their own dies and also an opportunity to maybe start to fuel proper conversations about this issue to get people to be more aware of it when it comes to politics in general. This is a great opportunity to put people in the right mindstate to see what we are about to see an increase of under Trump.
 
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1. A lot of the outrage seems to center, implicitly, on the concept that all of us are born into some kinda of similar moral environment, with the same influences, and same life experiences, and same background, and then making decisions out of some deviation, some kind of willful turn to 'evil'. That concept doesn't feel fundamentally true to me. Ask yourselves who are the most moral people in your life and why they are like that. Is the world a moral place? I don't think it is.

2. The rapid way that social media has warped the world, into this binary place, where everything is based around your values and identity, every issue. My first reaction to this story was just pure interest and fascination. Who did this and why? How fast will he be caught? How would they catch him? It never emotionally occurred to me to put myself on a side. I am not a CEO, also not an avenging killer. I do think health care is a brutal industry. I do agree it's not fair at all. The two things never link in my mind.

3. I didn't have healthcare for like 10 years, 23-33 I could afford it, but was just ignorant and hated dealing with it, and just took my chances. Never had an issue. Went to emergency care for whatever minor concern came up. Planned Parenthood when I thought I had an STD (I did not) and EC for everything else. Paid like $200 cash every time. Paid out of pocket for anything and everything, but it was never more than a quick visit. Do have healthcare now.

4. This killer, is for sure, a total loser. College educated but underemployed, or in some nondescript data entry shyt. Not a high achiever. Lives with parents. Lives with room mates. Not entirely socially awkward, but not someone who is very adept in the world. Loner. Self righteous. Embittered. Grandiose thinking. Delusions of grandeur. Why relate to someone who likely did this because of his own deep insecurities and relative instability? Need for validation, to feel he had done something with his life. Like Reagan's guy. Hinckely.
Or maybe his Mom died because she was denied care that other carriers would have covered.
 

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Reposting this book review of the alleged shooter (clicking the direct link at the bottom, he has a profile pic which all but confirms it is him)
He reviewed a book on GoodReads and it's a call-to-arms in itself. (Photo also damn near confirms it's him):
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The last few paragraphs get a bit spooky season. I think this might get a lot of traction

(regarding the author of the book he was reviewed, there's a podcast on Ted Kaczynski that I listened to last year that might provide additional context for those interested)

Definitely curious to see what his manifesto says, but posts like this will likely go viral by itself
Ted Kaczynski as an inspiration seem obvious in retrospect. Those last few paragraphs are pretty powerful and can stir up some people for sure...
 

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Is there another thread for this, that is ignored?

He's not a revolutionary. These are people who look for the "bigness", the scale, of these kinds of events to balance the smallness of their own lives.
 

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Is there another thread for this, that is ignored?

He's not a revolutionary. These are people who look for the "bigness", the scale, of these kinds of events to balance the smallness of their own lives.
You could say the same about Rosa Parks, no?

From my perspective, what matters is society's reaction, not whether the person had ulterior motives or purposefully set a plan in motion instead of kismet where they stumble into it and rising to the occasion.
 

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You could say the same about Rosa Parks, no?

From my perspective, what matters is society's reaction, not whether the person had ulterior motives or purposefully set a plan in motion instead of kismet where they stumble into it and rising to the occasion.

You could say it, but I don't think it's a reasonable analogy, like Kanye calling himself Malcom or whatever

I think this is all social media based, people's reaction are so primed and sharpened, anything can get framed as a righteous cause, when it's really the lone act of one person who felt aggrieved and was self righteous enough to follow through on it. People make it about a cause, because they want to be involved. There is no cause. There is no movement.

This guy is delusional. He's inadequate, feels like a failure, so he does something to reverse that. People who write manifestos and plan executions are not to be trusted or followed. And someone will frame THAT like I am on the side of corporate CEO's, and I'm not with them either. There's no need to choose sides on every issue. Some things just happen.
 

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You could say it, but I don't think it's a reasonable analogy, like Kanye calling himself Malcom or whatever

I think this is all social media based, people's reaction are so primed and sharpened, anything can get framed as a righteous cause, when it's really the lone act of one person who felt aggrieved and was self righteous enough to follow through on it. People make it about a cause, because they want to be involved. There is no cause. There is no movement.

This guy is delusional. He's inadequate, feels like a failure, so he does something to reverse that. People who write manifestos and plan executions are not to be trusted or followed. And someone will frame THAT like I am on the side of corporate CEO's, and I'm not with them either. There's no need to choose sides on every issue. Some things just happen.
Can you explain how a 'true' revolutionary comes to be and name 1-2 of them? Your perspective casts a character from a made-for-tv movie, while most revolutionaries are littered w/ very obvious flaws throughout, from Greek mythology to IRL such as Churchill/Hitler/Gandhi/MLK Jr./Malcolm X/etc.
 
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