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They can study in Germany, Sweden or even France :picard: .



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Even Scotland is doing much better than England in that respect
 

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Tech firm Palantir spoke with MoJ about calculating prisonersā€™ ā€˜reoffending risksā€™​


Exclusive: Rights group expresses concerns as it emerges US spy tech company has been lobbying UK ministers

Ben Quinn

Sat 16 Nov 2024 01.00 EST
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Peter Thiel, the co-founder and chair of Palantir, and a major Silicon Valley supporter of Donald Trump. Photograph: Roger Askew/The Oxford Union/Rex/Shutterstock

The US spy tech company Palantir has been in talks with the Ministry of Justice about using its technology to calculate prisonersā€™ ā€œreoffending risksā€, it has emerged.

The proposals emerged in correspondence released under the Freedom of Information Act which showed how the company has also been lobbying new UK government ministers, including the chancellor, Rachel Reeves.



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Amnesty International is among the organisations expressing concern about the expanding role Palantir is attempting to carve out after it was controversially awarded a multimillion-pound contract with the NHS last year.

The prisons minister, James Timpson, received a letter three weeks after the general election from a Palantir executive who said the firm was one of the worldā€™s leading software companies, and was working at the forefront of artificial intelligence (AI).

Palantir had been in talks with the MoJ and the Prison Service about how ā€œsecure information sharing and data analytics can alleviate prison challenges and enable a granular understanding of reoffending and associated risksā€, the executive added.

The discussions, which started under the Conservative government, are understood to have included proposals by Palantir to analyse prison capacity, and to use data held by the state to understand trends relating to reoffending. This would be based on aggregating data to identify and act on trends, factoring in drivers such as income or addiction problems. Lord Timpson did not respond to the letter.

A Palantir spokesperson said: ā€œAdvanced software that automatically integrates data could provide a single, constantly updating source of truth for prison capacity across the UK ā€“ helping to maximise the use of finite prison spaces. This kind of solution has parallels with how our software supported the Covid-19 vaccine rollout, where it provided a clear, real-time picture of takeup at a local, regional and national level.ā€

However, Amnesty International UKā€™s business and human rights director, Peter Frankental, has expressed concern. ā€œItā€™s deeply worrying that Palantir is trying to seduce the new government into a so-called brave new world where public services may be run by unaccountable bots at the expense of our rights,ā€ he said. ā€œLabour faces the serious challenge of ensuring digital technologies are used in line with human rights, including protecting peopleā€™s privacy, right to equality, non-discrimination and data protection.

ā€œMinisters need to push back against any use of artificial intelligence in the criminal justice, prison and welfare systems that could lead to people being discriminated against, unfairly targeted and other miscarriages of justice. The Post Office scandal is a stark warning of what can happen when digital technologies are considered infallible.ā€

Concerns about Palantir have been compounded by the political role played by its co-founder and chair, Peter Thiel, a major Silicon Valley supporter of Donald Trump, as well as a backer and former employer of the vice-president-elect, JD Vance. Thiel once wrote: ā€œI no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible.ā€

Other letters released to the Guardian reveal that Palentirā€™s co-founder and chief executive, Alexander Karp, wrote to ministers including Reeves, asking to meet to discuss how to help drive growth and use of its products at government departments.

Karp is a self-described ā€œsocialistā€ but has spoken of Palantir being a counter to ā€œwokeā€ companies and is known for making provocative statements, claiming the company believed ā€œthe west is a superior way to liveā€.

This was reflected in a letter Karp wrote to the science minister, Peter Kyle, telling him: ā€œOur company was founded to help strengthen critical institutions across the west.ā€

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As with Reeves, Karp sought to meet Kyle to discuss ā€œharnessing AI to deliver the next generation of technology-enabled public services across HMGā€.

Karp told Reeves that the company employed nearly 1,000 software engineers in London, its European office for AI, and anticipated opening another office elsewhere in Britain soon. Palantir wrote to other ministers including the chief secretary to the Treasury, Darren Jones, and the trade minister Douglas Alexander.

Kyle and Reeves have not met Palantir during their time as ministers, according to the government, while other ministers lobbied by the company do not appear to have responded. Others in Labour have been deeply uneasy about the companyā€™s links with the party, particularly with its Blairite wing.

The Labour backbencher Clive Lewis said he was concerned that ā€œbig corporate entitiesā€ such as Palantir were trying to become integral parts of providing public services.

ā€œWe are inviting in a highly extractive corporate entity which is always going to act in its own interests first, not what would ultimately be the interests of the NHS or other public services. You can go down a science-fiction route but iyou ultimately where will it leave us?ā€ Lewis said.

ā€œIt feels to me as if there is pressure for this Labour government to deliver growth at all costs. My fear is that it will lead us into taking shortcuts to deliver that growth at a rapid rate and we may regret what we have done.ā€
 

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The UK, she says, had not helped itself by making the mistake of not introducing restrictions on eastern European workers once 10 new countries joined the bloc in May 2004, the then Labour government having grossly underestimated the number of people who would arrive. This gave Eurosceptics the chance to put freedom of movement in a negative light.

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I wonder if this may be used as a pretext to push for an increase towards the breakeven fee:
I was looking to do a masters in the UK and the fees were Ā£30k+ and i saw for domestic students it was roughly 15k.....I didn't know tuition was that high for undergrad for domestic students as well..... that is all ridiculous prices..... here in Canada I pay just above $7k... those amounts converted to CAD are 60 and 30k respectively...... absolute madness..... they're definitely trying to make higher education prohibitive.....
 
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They can study in Germany, Sweden or even France :picard: .



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I was actually set on doing a masters in Germany, the issue with some. of the more technical disciplines is you most likely need a B1 level in the native language.... Had to bush Germany as a prospect cause of it and am focusing on France....... Switzerland is another good shout with respect to tuition costs.... though it may be offset by cost of living. But the UK is bush now..
 

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I was actually set on doing a masters in Germany, the issue with some. of the more technical disciplines is you most likely need a B1 level in the native language.... Had to bush Germany as a prospect cause of it and am focusing on France....... Switzerland is another good shout with respect to tuition costs.... though it may be offset by cost of living. But the UK is bush now..

which subject?
 

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I was looking to do a masters in the UK and the fees were Ā£30k+ and i saw for domestic students it was roughly 15k.....I didn't know tuition was that high for undergrad for domestic students as well..... that is all ridiculous prices..... here in Canada I pay just above $7k... those amounts converted to CAD are 60 and 30k respectively...... absolute madness..... they're definitely trying to make higher education prohibitive.....

you should see prices in the USA :picard: .

the uk education system is in crisis.

like many things in the uk the numbers don''t add up.

selling the family silver, unsustainable short term plasters and borrowing from the future are not bridging the gap.

 
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I know about Germany. i already did all my research about the German universities which ha good programs. That's why I mentioned needing to have at the minimum B2 proficiency to be able to go into the programs. All the good courses are taught in German. For other fields it is different, but for the STEM fields German is needed.
 
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