UK Politics Thread 🇬🇧
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Why the hell would they do that?
Lol I didn't know thecoli had a ukpolitics thread. I'm cancelling my membership because this is not the party, nor the leadership that inspired my generation to vote and volunteer for Labour. Whether it's this with Corbyn or Long-bailey's tweet it's obvious he has an agenda to purge the socialists out of the party at worst and put them back in a fridge at best. Still it's clear as day the blairites have full control of the party.
Just so no one's confused he's suspended but he's not permanently out nor has he lost his seat. He just has to move as an independent until reinstatement.
Just so no one's confused he's suspended but he's not permanently out nor has he lost his seat. He just has to move as an independent until reinstatement.
I don't know how much you know about Labour party politics but the only reason Starmer won was because he essentially pledged the same manifesto promises as 2017 Corbyn with the benefit of being 'electable'. So, if Starmer permanently removes the whip not only would there be historic rates of membership decline, Labour turnout but a rebellion.
There are 36 MPs in the socialist wing of the party, if 25 of them leave or create their own party, let alone the media narratives being created, the Labour party will be squeezed in the middle by the lib dems and the Tories, so they likely won't have the vote share to win a general election.
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He should just retire. Screw them. Keir obviously thinks he's winning in 2024 so he can do this. Completely cynical though.
It's like shooting yourself in the foot. Suspension is stupid strategically
That won't happen, he's one of the few MPs that actually cares and besides in the UK there are no primaries. He's known around his area for crazy volunteering hours, and if you heard his speech on the black history month debate you'd know that his voice is absolutely necessary for black people. We cannot have a blairite claim his seat.
In a way it's worse in the UK, the injustices faced by US black people are cut and dry you can't make an argument against it, but in the UK there's money and sympathy for all causes until it gets to black discrimination or closing gaps between black people and everyone else. So if we ever had a chance at specific policy aimed at helping minorities then 2017 was our best shot.
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Probabably.
The voters Starmer hopes to gain likely won't even remember this. The Tories hold an 80 seat majority so they aren't calling an election until May 2024. There's no way conservatives will remember this in 4 years, if they even care at all. All it does is depress the left vote while leaving the door open for some right wing voters who'll claim they gave Labour an honest look while choosing a tory candidate on their ballot.
Still, one thing most people aren't talking about is if membership rates decline money has to flow in from other sources which will likely mean the party for the labour movement is funded by billionaires.
Yes, I know that is why Starmer won.
There may be 36 MPs in the socialist wing, but only 10-15 or so are very strongly despised by the Blairite/Starmer wing of the party, and probably fewer than those 10-15 who would consider leaving Labour to create their own party.
Sure, it would hurt Labour in the short term, but during the next election, a lot of those MPs who left to form their own party would lose their seats. Look what happened with ChangeUK. Or if you want a better comparison for what happens when a leftist MP is pushed out of the Labour party and tries to retain their seat, look at Chris Williamson.
I give up on Labour.
Sorry, but there is greater evidence to show Labour executives sabotaged Corbyn's election bid than evidence of anti semitism.
This is just nonsense.