U-God says Killarmy and Sunz of Man were wack, disses Rza. Chumps Vlad

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Bringing back memories. Franklin Avenue was fukked up, a whole other world now


This song practically never leaves my rotation, but it definitely reminds me of winter of '95. Played the video religiously off a VHS of old Rap City videos I used to tape when it first came out.

And I forgot, but U-God is all up in the second Sunz Of Man video I posted ("The Plan"). He's riding in the speedboat up front during 60 Second Assassin's verse.

And he's the only dude in the video besides the extras that NOT a member of Sunz of Man :russ:
 

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Only person I really feel bad for is deck. Dudes album was already done pre flood, had the vocal Mic setting correct in the studio and he had the huge standout verse in clans biggest track, cream. Dude got fukked royally imo.

What i dont understand about this is if you rapped over some beats to the point where you finished an album, if those tracks are lost surely you can remember the framework of the beats. He couldnt hum them joints to job RZA memory and recreate them?
 

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What i dont understand about this is if you rapped over some beats to the point where you finished an album, if those tracks are lost surely you can remember the framework of the beats. He couldnt hum them joints to job RZA memory and recreate them?

Cmon dog these are hundreds of beats made over countless hours. Sampled from certain albums, mixing board set just right, vibes from certain moments, random little tidbits. I remember somebody saying RZA sampled a dryer. Plus you for random vocals from dudes just coming in and dropping verses. Impossible to recreate the entire vibe and mood. Once you start recording again people in different states, mics set at different levels, boards at different levels, acoustics change, vibe changes. Rhymes that once worked don’t work no more.
 

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Cmon dog these are hundreds of beats made over countless hours. Sampled from certain albums, mixing board set just right, vibes from certain moments, random little tidbits. I remember somebody saying RZA sampled a dryer. Plus you for random vocals from dudes just coming in and dropping verses. Impossible to recreate the entire vibe and mood. Once you start recording again people in different states, mics set at different levels, boards at different levels, acoustics change, vibe changes. Rhymes that once worked don’t work no more.

Im not talking about Rza knowing all his beats off the rip and just remaking them. Im talking about Deck not knowing how the 12 or so specific beats he made an album to sounded. He should know the framework of those beats and from that he could jog RZAs memory on those specific beats and come back with something similar. It may not be exact but if the beats were so nice they would have been better than whatever was made from scratch later.
 

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Im not talking about Rza knowing all his beats off the rip and just remaking them. Im talking about Deck not knowing how the 12 or so specific beats he made an album to sounded. He should know the framework of those beats and from that he could jog RZAs memory on those specific beats and come back with something similar. It may not be exact but if the beats were so nice they would have been better than whatever was made from scratch later.

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So Deck was supposed to be like “RZA you don’t remember how the beat went on track four? it was like ‘hunna buh buh boom, da duh boom’ with some horns in the back”

Cmon breh, seriously you have to realize how ridiculous what you are saying is.
 

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So Deck was supposed to be like “RZA you don’t remember how the beat went on track four? it was like ‘hunna buh buh boom, da duh boom’ with some horns in the back”

Cmon breh, seriously you have to realize how ridiculous what you are saying is.


Maybe its because ive been involved with music all my life so i expect a little much but yeah, if this is your album you should be able to tell someone how the music went. You do realize artists have done the exact thing you are clowning with musicians and come back with some of the hottest tracks ever. MJ was known for doing just that, James Brown was known for doing just that, etc...

If you put me in a room with a group of producers/musicians i would be able to tell them how to create something that sounds like Gravel Pit without a problem. If you put me in the room with the nikka who made the damn song id be able to give him enough of a lead that he would remember how he made it and we would come pretty damn close to recreating it.
 

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Maybe its because ive been involved with music all my life so i expect a little much but yeah, if this is your album you should be able to tell someone how the music went. You do realize artists have done the exact thing you are clowning with musicians and come back with some of the hottest tracks ever. MJ was known for doing just that, James Brown was known for doing just that, etc...

If you put me in a room with a group of producers/musicians i would be able to tell them how to create something that sounds like Gravel Pit without a problem. If you put me in the room with the nikka who made the damn song id be able to give him enough of a lead that he would remember how he made it and we would come pretty damn close to recreating it.

All i can say is too bad Deck and RZA didn’t have you around during the pre flood recording sessions. If you were there history would have be rewritten, Deck woulda had the platinum album and Bobby Shmurda may have never been locked up.
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So Deck was supposed to be like “RZA you don’t remember how the beat went on track four? it was like ‘hunna buh buh boom, da duh boom’ with some horns in the back”

Cmon breh, seriously you have to realize how ridiculous what you are saying is.


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Yeah, I don't think cats fully appreciate how difficult it is to recreate a lost beat when you have hundreds of them stored across thousands of disks.

It would be literally impossible to recreate without a specific log of what type of drums you used, how it was arranged, which samples went where, etc.

I've been around producers that have lost beats due to their MPCs and other samplers no longer be able to read floppy disks. I can't fathom a dusted out Rza with a thousand projects, side ventures, tours, and life in general being able to recreate shyt during that era. He claims he doesn't even know where he sampled "Glaciers Of Ice" from so he could never recreate it. And that's a beat he could access at anytime today.
 
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