Two men fatally shot outside their East Flatbush home (NSFW)(Update: Cops kill the killer)

[Soylent Greenz]

I used to see dude that got clapped in Retro Fitness by Flatbush Junction before they closed down,good dude,always was in a positive mood.

He made far 2 many mistakes dealing with this situation tho,and unfortunately the shyt cost him his life.

 

[null]

You can’t kill someone based on words.

wrong again .

"If a defendant uses defensive force because of a threat of deadly or grievous harm by the other person, or a reasonable perception of such harm, the defendant is said to have a "perfect self-defense" justification"

"Legal defense for self-defense claim[edit]
Claiming a self-defense case will greatly depend on the threat. This includes whether it was a verbal threat that made the person feel threatened, to the extent that they felt the need to defend themselves. It will also depend on if the threat was imminent or not."

Right of self-defense - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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I didn't bother with the rest because I am not here to explain the law to you.

Read the wiki links so that you understand better.

Let's see what his lawyer says.

Even if you want to say he couldn’t get down the stairs as soon as the father turned away his argument for being threatened ceased. This isn’t the 1980’s with Goetz and even the the argument “what was reasonable for me“ as a subjective term didn’t fly then, and he was a white man that got off for racism and a lack of tape. The tape shows the father walking away. Then add the story this is a six year disagreement, he attempted to kick in the door, and used a deadly weapon to kill the father and son. The wife’s testimony isn’t going to be scrutinized like that tape either. If the father had stabbed him with the knife has a defense, hell he has a defense for drawing his weapon, NYPL has no heat of the moment statute, so once he started shooting he was fukked.

Also this is the internet so I am going to express my opinion and I think this is a easy second degree case because of the tape. How are you going to tell a jury the defendant felt threatened when he took the time to walk over and finish the father with a head shot? The judge isn’t going to explain self defense to the jury and require the prosecution to be forced to prove it didn’t happen because of the head shot. That alone turns that murder into intent to kill.

 

[360dagod]

Homeboy shot an up by 30 bullet and self-defense is still being thrown out there lol..

He is COOKED...

 

[Wargames]

wrong again .

"If a defendant uses defensive force because of a threat of deadly or grievous harm by the other person, or a reasonable perception of such harm, the defendant is said to have a "perfect self-defense" justification"

"Legal defense for self-defense claim[edit]
Claiming a self-defense case will greatly depend on the threat. This includes whether it was a verbal threat that made the person feel threatened, to the extent that they felt the need to defend themselves. It will also depend on if the threat was imminent or not."

Right of self-defense - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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I didn't bother with the rest because I am not here to explain the law to you.

Read the wiki links so that you understand better.

Let's see what his lawyer says.

I am not going back and forth with you but the NYPL does not allow for verbal arguments to be used as a justification for self defense. That is what matters not Wikipedia. I don’t want to play you on this because the majority of people don’t know what I am talking about but I am right, trust me on all of this I am right.

Article 35 NY Penal Law - Defense of Justification | NY Laws

Justifiable use of physical force, conduct which would otherwise constitute an offense is justifiable and not criminal when

ypdcrime.com

 

[levitate]

Vid gone.

 

[null]

I am not going back and forth with you but the NYPL does not allow for verbal arguments to be used as a justification for self defense. That is what matters not Wikipedia. I don’t want to play you on this because the majority of people don’t know what I am talking about but I am right, trust me on all of this I am right.

Article 35 NY Penal Law - Defense of Justification | NY Laws

Justifiable use of physical force, conduct which would otherwise constitute an offense is justifiable and not criminal when

ypdcrime.com

you said you can't kill someone (generally) just based on them saying something. that statement is nonsense.

in THIS case i mean goddamn it .. it wasn't just a verbal was it .. he had scissors to the mans throat PLUS verbals.

and finally your own link says

"1. A person may, subject to the provisions of subdivision two, use
physical force upon another person when and to the extent he or she
reasonably believes such to be necessary to defend himself, herself or a
third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or
imminent use of unlawful physical force by such other person, unless:"

that covers verbal threats because it allows for a verbal thread of a future physical attack that has not happened yet.

so if i say I am going to shoot you and it is both an imminent and credible threat then you could shoot me first.

just a credible threat alone could constitute an assault.

 

[Mars]

I honestly don't believe the shooter's intention when he went upstairs was to kill them...I think he just snapped when the Father put the scissors in his face and would not back down.....If you look closely the shooter makes a trigger-shooting motion with his fingers, basically telling the father that he has a gun and to back off......After the wife pulls the Father back the first time the shooter does not pull out the gun...but when the Father goes back at the shooter with the scissors I think that when the shooter felt like he was in danger and pulled out his gun.

Think about it...If the shooter's intention was to bait the father into doing something to kill him he would have pulled his gun the first time the father turned around. It looks like the shooter was trying to get the father to back down but when the father came at him with the scissors the 2nd time he said fukk it and started blasting.....Not condoning or defending what he did but the Father should've backed down......It's not as if the shooter was even at the family's door, he was by the steps standing calmly.....The Father came out with the scissors and walked all the way to the steps where the shooter was.


Question...If the shooter did not have a gun and he defended himself against the father with scissors and was stabbed/killed would we say the dead man would've been justified in shooting the father if he had a gun on him?

 

[Mars]

Vid gone.

Entire full video right here

Chilling moment neighbor executes father and his stepson in cold blood

A neighborly dispute turned deadly on Sunday night at a complex in Brooklyn - two men were left dead.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

I honestly don't believe the shooter's intention when he went upstairs was to kill them...I think he just snapped when the Father put the scissors in his face and would not back down.....If you look closely the shooter makes a trigger-shooting motion with his fingers, basically telling the father that he has a gun and to back off......After the wife pulls the Father back the first time the shooter does not pull out the gun...but when the Father goes back at the shooter with the scissors I think that when the shooter felt like he was in danger and pulled out his gun.

Think about it...If the shooter's intention was to bait the father into doing something to kill him he would have pulled his gun the first time the father turned around. It looks like the shooter was trying to get the father to back down but when the father came at him with the scissors the 2nd time he said fukk it and started blasting.....Not condoning or defending what he did but the Father should've backed down......It's not as if the shooter was even at the family's door, he was by the steps standing calmly.....The Father came out with the scissors and walked all the way to the steps where the shooter was.


Question...If the shooter did not have a gun and he defended himself against the father with scissors and was stabbed/killed would we say the dead man would've been justified in shooting the father if he had a gun on him?

You're trying too hard to defend the shooter breh.

You don't get to initiate the confrontation, which he did by kicking on their door and then try and gauge someone else's reaction to what you did. That's not how that works.

Not to mention the fact that he literally shoots someone that is trying to run away from him and the situation. There's no defending that and it's insane that posters are in here trying to justify the actions.

This thread needs to be locked or deleted altogether seriously as it's bad optics on this site.

 

[Mike Nasty]

How do you claim self defense when you have already kicked a hole in the door?

 

[Mars]

You're trying too hard to defend the shooter breh.

You don't get to initiate the confrontation, which he did by kicking on their door and then try and gauge someone else's reaction to what you did. That's not how that works.

Not defending the shooter..I clearly said in a previous post that he went overboard...He's going to jail for the rest of his life for the extra shots fired on the Father and Son................ Also, I have not yet seen the video of him kicking the door, only the confrontation

How do you claim self defense when you have already kicked a hole in the door?

Where is the video of him kicking the door?

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Not defending the shooter..I clearly said in a previous post that he went overboard...He's going to jail for the rest of his life for the extra shots fired on the Father and Son................ Also, I have not yet seen the video of him kicking the door, only the confrontation

The article literally states what initiates the confrontation. Dudes be jumping to defend someone in a video and not even bothering to take the extra minute or two to read the article before they bother responding.

 

[NYChase718]

How do you claim self defense when you have already kicked a hole in the door?

The shooter is posting in here

 

[Mars]

The article literally states what initiates the confrontation. Dudes be jumping to defend someone in a video and not even bothering to take the extra minute or two to read the article before they bother responding.

According to the wife, he tried to kick in the door...but it's hard for me to believe the wife when she doesn't mention anything about her husband putting scissors in the shooter's face...I also find it strange that the wife would go into the hallway to confront a man who just kicked in her door.

 

[delnegro]

The shooter is dead. He charged at the police with a knife.