Wouldn't be good, I'm not for dictatorships
Turkey's Constitutional Referendum Vote
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Wouldn't be good, I'm not for dictatorships
to protect themselves from 1 day being in the same position as the middle east
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
???!!!
Are you trolling at this point or what?
For who to protect themselves from one day being in the same position as the middle east? What position?
Turkey?
Pakistan?
India?
For reference
Turkey joined NATO in 1952
Modern India/Pakistan became countries around the 47-54...
Entropy Fan
Superstar
Can you answer where was this huge Western concern for democracy when the military was overthrowing governments and executing elected presidents in Turkey ? All while a member of NATO in good standing no less.
Pretend to care about democracy and human rights brehs
dennis roadman
nuclear war in my bag
You're mistaking nefarious policy for popular opinion
these are largely unpopular pieces of American abuse of power
Edit: and I'm pretty sure the detaining people for years with no charges has happened quite frequently in turkey, for what it's worth. @FAH1223 probably knows more about that if true
Entropy Fan
Superstar
Popular or not, land of the free home of the brave is run by leaders with despot powers. No deflection can change that.
Also I noticed you skipped over the legal power a US president has to execute Americans just by making a call.
dennis roadman
nuclear war in my bag
Nah man that's just not the topic at hand
You're talking about deflections and skipping over, why would I do that? Those are despicable and disgusting
I'm talking about popular support for authoritarianism, not saying turkey is more oppressive than the US
Entropy Fan
Superstar
Bush mad a massive power grab after 9/11 and got reelected. That's as popular support as you can get
dennis roadman
nuclear war in my bag
Fair enough but that actually illustrates my point
Bush still had to use buzzwords like freedom and democracy. He had to sell his fukkery to get votes
The popular support I've witnessed, which is not scientific by any means, is stark and in praise of a guy who shamelessly dominates a political sphere. A lotta people think Erdogan is too soft
it's why I brought up pro-Mussolini Italians, and Chileans to this day who riot on 9/11 in the name of Pinochet's takeover The latter 3 find support in people who praise power, bush found his in people who have a fukked up vision of liberty and democracy
Entropy Fan
Superstar
Traditional cultures value stronger leaders. As long as he gets the job done.Fair enough but that actually illustrates my point
Bush still had to use buzzwords like freedom and democracy. He had to sell his fukkery to get votes
The popular support I've witnessed, which is not scientific by any means, is stark and in praise of a guy who shamelessly dominates a political sphere. A lotta people think Erdogan is too soft
The latter 3 find support in people who praise power, bush found his in people who have a fukked up vision of liberty and democracy
A strong man could never operate in any modern feminst nation, especially considering just being a strong male is already frowned upon
Alot of Americans wanted George Washington to become a king. They were more traditional at the time
It's worse that a liberal democracy like America can have presidents with nearly unlimited powers compared to countries that have always been totalitarian
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
Can you answer where was this huge Western concern for democracy when the military was overthrowing governments and executing elected presidents in Turkey ? All while a member of NATO in good standing no less.
Pretend to care about democracy and human rights brehs
Uh, in the context of the Cold War where communist governments you most likely support(but will deny) were sending in tanks on their own citizens and other countries that they annexed when they wanted to peacefully break away from them and a mere decade after wrapping up killing tens of millions of their own citizens.
You can fukk right off.
idk why you fakkits keep changing your usernames.
But hey why are you deflecting?
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Entropy Fan
Superstar
Uh, in the context of the Cold War where communist governments you most likely support(but will deny) were sending in tanks on their own citizens and other countries that they annexed when they wanted to peacefully brake away from them and a mere decade after wrapping up killing tens of millions of their own citizens.
You can fukk right off.
idk why you fakkits keep changing your usernames.
But hey why are you deflecting?
Damn u got mad real quick.
Off a basic ass question too.
Attuturk was president and brutalizing the opposition DECADES before the cold war. He denied Kurds were even an ethnicity and banned them from using their own language with no Western complaints. Now they are champions of the same kurds
Germany, EU and US have GREAT relations with Egypt who overthrew their elected leader and have him sentenced to death
Grow some balls and admit your only bothered by his political slant. If he was secular he'd be another central Asian strongman the west happily cooperated with. Azerbaijan president just made his wife the VP. Nobody cared.
Brehs got so triggered, went straight to insults
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
Damn u got mad real quick.
Off a basic ass question too.
Attuturk was president and brutalizing the opposition DECADES before the cold war. He denied Kurds were even an ethnicity and banned them from using their own language with no Western complaints. Now they are champions of the same kurds
Germany, EU and US have GREAT relations with Egypt who overthrew their elected leader and have him sentenced to death
Grow some balls and admit your only bothered by his political slant. If he was secular he'd be another central Asian strongman the west happily cooperated with. Azerbaijan president just made his wife the VP. Nobody cared.
Brehs got so triggered, went straight to insults
Oh, we're going to go back that far?
Hmmm and what was going on before and during that time period.
IDK, BREH MAYBE MORE PRESSING MATTERS LIKE WWI AND WWII?
The Belgian Congo was in full swing and it would take another 10+ years for GB to give up India.
I'm sure the monarchies of Europe were just appalled by his behavior
Entropy Fan
Superstar
Oh, we're going to go back that far?
Hmmm and what was going on before and during that time period.
IDK, BREH MAYBE MORE PRESSING MATTERS LIKE WWI AND WWII?
The Belgian Congo was in full swing and it would take another 10+ years for GB to give up India.
I'm sure the monarchies of Europe were just appalled by his behavior
Yes the French Italian British and American governments were monarchies
Name all these relavant euro monarchies in in the 1930?
There were no world wars for almost 2 decades of his rule.
More backpedaling.
It's ok you don't have to admit your actual beef with turkey.
