Turkey's Constitutional Referendum Vote

[FAH1223]

So the slide to dictatorship isn't a big deal then! LOVE IT!

There was basically a secular military dictatorship before Erdogan and AKP came in, liberalized things... and then around 2011 they started to become more authoritarian

Seems like a Turkish thing

 

[David_TheMan]

we did?

Yep our meddling in Turkish affairs has created the atmosphere for this public suppport for him to pull this shyt.
Same way US created the atmosphere for the Muslim Brotherhood to be elected in Egypt and then supported the military coup of the elected government, since the USruns the Egyptian military

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Yep our meddling in Turkish affairs has created the atmosphere for this public suppport for him to pull this shyt.
Same way US created the atmosphere for the Muslim Brotherhood to be elected in Egypt and then supported the military coup of the elected government, since the USruns the Egyptian military

yeah, that doesn't sound like our fault. or you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[David_TheMan]

yeah, that doesn't sound like our fault. or you don't know what you're talking about.

So the US telling Turks to assist us in destablizing Syria to providing home base, supplies, weapons, and intel to ISIS causing domestic blowback for the Turks. Is our fault? Erdogan trying to be usurped by US backed groups in the Turkish government led by a man in the US in government care in the US doesn't provide legitimacy the the staged coup by Erdogan which led to this shyt?

US meddling has consequences directly and indirectly and this is a consequence of US foreign policy. IMHO.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Erdogan trying to be usurped by US backed groups in the Turkish government led by a man in the US in government care in the US doesn't provide legitimacy the the staged coup by Erdogan which led to this shyt?

proof?

 

[David_TheMan]

proof?

Proof of what Turkish support of ISIS?
Turkey's Erdogan: 'Confirmed evidence' US-led coalition supports ISIS & other terrorists in Syria
Russia: Erdogan’s Son Real ISIS Oil Minister, Behind Su24 Shoot Down | Veterans Today
Turkey Is Supporting ISIS

US housing of man Gulen and supporting his influence.
Fethullah Gülen: who is the man Turkey's president blames for coup attempt?


Turks associate coup with US
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/03/...up-erdogan-fethullah-gulen-united-states.html

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

US housing of man Gulen and supporting his influence.
Fethullah Gülen: who is the man Turkey's president blames for coup attempt?

and?

Turks associate coup with US
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/03/...up-erdogan-fethullah-gulen-united-states.html

Except, this is THEIR word

 

[David_TheMan]

and?


Except, this is THEIR word

You said you wanted proof I gave you proof or documentation, what do you have beside your opinion.
Even the US government leaked out that the Turks aid Isis, conveniently ignoring that they do the same, which Turkish made known as well.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You said you wanted proof I gave you proof or documentation, what do you have beside your opinion.
Even the US government leaked out that the Turks aid Isis, conveniently ignoring that they do the same, which Turkish made known as well.

But theres only Turkish conspiracy that the US was behind the coup...and they've been using any excuse to get Gulen for a while

 

[David_TheMan]

But theres only Turkish conspiracy that the US was behind the coup...and they've been using any excuse to get Gulen for a while

I literally said Erdogan staged the coup, are you not trying to read now?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I literally said Erdogan staged the coup, are you not trying to read now?

Can you show where you said that? not trolling...but I don't see that in your links



I don't know what to believe, but the evidence seems scant that the US was behind it.

And if they were, they did a damn good job hiding it

There WAS evidence that the rumor about the American air base being attacked was a Russian hoax.

 

[David_TheMan]

Can you show where you said that? not trolling...but I don't see that in your links



I don't know what to believe, but the evidence seems scant that the US was behind it.

And if they were, they did a damn good job hiding it

There WAS evidence that the rumor about the American air base being attacked was a Russian hoax.

So the US telling Turks to assist us in destablizing Syria to providing home base, supplies, weapons, and intel to ISIS causing domestic blowback for the Turks. Is our fault? Erdogan trying to be usurped by US backed groups in the Turkish government led by a man in the US in government care in the US doesn't provide legitimacy the the staged coup by Erdogan which led to this shyt?

US meddling has consequences directly and indirectly and this is a consequence of US foreign policy. IMHO.

So what are you talking about?

 

[Strapped]

Why isnt turkey, pakistan & india on the same page

 

[88m3]

There was basically a secular military dictatorship before Erdogan and AKP came in, liberalized things... and then around 2011 they started to become more authoritarian

Seems like a Turkish thing

Okay, but should we applaud Erdogan for bringing that back?

I mean I know I've read during the cold war years it was essentially a military/mafia state maybe that's the next step after democracy/liberalism?