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NYChase718
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Is the intention of the Taker doc to make him out as a pathetic old man with a martyr complex or something? All of his collogues in the doc wish he'd retire and stop embarrassing himself. No one is asking him or expecting him to come back besides Vince. Everyone just wants him to go off into the sunset, and he's had so many perfect opportunities and keeps missing his chance because he just can't give it up despite knowing he's been shytting the bed for years. He's in so much pain all the time but he has to keep having these matches no one wants him to do and he looks like shyt but convinces himself he's doing it for the fans and the business instead of it being a fear of moving on to the next phase of his life because he's never done anything else and has no other skills.
MenacingMonk
Tranquilo
So Goldberg got a concussion during the Saudi match? No wonder it turned out the way it did.
Is there any ref that had more corruption angles than Nick Patrick? First he was the NWO ref, but even after that got dropped and they moved on, it seemed like every 4-6 months in both WCW and WWE he'd randomly do the crooked ref thing for YEARS. 
Also LOOOOOOOOOOL at how terrible Jericho is booked leading in to the Rumble. He's doing mid card 6 man tags with Christian and Lance Storm while literally everyone just assumes Rock is going to win the title so all the main eventers, heel and face, confront Rock before the Rumble to let him know they'll be seeing him at WM. Jericho's response is to just be a whiny crybaby about no one respecting him, and then the match comes and it takes: A run in from Christian, a run in from Lance Storm, crooked ref Nick Patrick, a belt shot, exposed turn buckle, AND a roll up holding tights with feet on the ropes
Also, Billy Gunn is obscenely lean (bordering on bodybuilder comp levels) and Austin's mid section had a lot more jiggle going on at this stage than I remembered
Also LOOOOOOOOOOL at how terrible Jericho is booked leading in to the Rumble. He's doing mid card 6 man tags with Christian and Lance Storm while literally everyone just assumes Rock is going to win the title so all the main eventers, heel and face, confront Rock before the Rumble to let him know they'll be seeing him at WM. Jericho's response is to just be a whiny crybaby about no one respecting him, and then the match comes and it takes: A run in from Christian, a run in from Lance Storm, crooked ref Nick Patrick, a belt shot, exposed turn buckle, AND a roll up holding tights with feet on the ropes
Also, Billy Gunn is obscenely lean (bordering on bodybuilder comp levels) and Austin's mid section had a lot more jiggle going on at this stage than I remembered
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dakidbanks
Superstar
I haven’t watched the Taker doc, just been reading Lil excerpts here and there bout stuff he’s said on it and interviews.... it’s amazing that Sting has been calling dude out for years and no one mentions it to him
he must didn’t want that match... no way all these different outlets get the rare opportunity to talk to Taker and no one mentions Sting unless that’s a question they’re not allowed to ask
he must didn’t want that match... no way all these different outlets get the rare opportunity to talk to Taker and no one mentions Sting unless that’s a question they’re not allowed to ask
Not that I think that Curt Hennig really deserved a big push in 2002 or anything since he was already pretty washed the last year or two of WCW, but it was weird they brought him back, he had a great showing in the Rumble and got a huge reaction, but then all they did was use him as a comedy jobber.
You'd think they would have had him working with younger talent, but he was actually used as a quick jobber for guys like Austin, Kane, Big Show. Maybe the Rumble was supposed to be a one off and they gave him a little run in reaction or something. Otherwise I can't figure out why they brought him back and used him the way they used him.
You'd think they would have had him working with younger talent, but he was actually used as a quick jobber for guys like Austin, Kane, Big Show. Maybe the Rumble was supposed to be a one off and they gave him a little run in reaction or something. Otherwise I can't figure out why they brought him back and used him the way they used him.
The introduction of the February PPV was a mistake. A whole month is wasted on filler angles that should be going towards WM and then you get a big rush to fill out the card 3-4 weeks before the show every year.
HHH vs Jericho: Jericho spends all of Jan-3 weeks of Feb feuding with Rock and Austin. HHH spends the same time feuding with Angle and/or Stephanie. This leaves 4 weeks for the actual main event of WM to have any build between the two people in it, and it's mostly centered around Stephanie anyway. Both feuds were far more heated than the Jericho/HHH one.
Hogan vs Rock: Rock spends all of January and February feuding with Jericho and Taker. Hogan arrives the night of NWO and the challenge from Rock is made the next night really just because. Hogan then tries to literally murder Rock TWICE the same night This also leaves 4 weeks of build for perhaps the most iconic match of a generation.
Austin vs Hall: Much like Hogan/Rock, this starts at NWO when the NWO arrived to beat up Austin for no reason other than they're the NWO and that's what they do, with Hall randomly hitting Austin with the Stunner. This happens again on Raw, then Austin abducts Hall on Smackdown and this also leaves 4 weeks of build.
Taker vs Flair: Taker spent most of January and February just popping in and having matches with other main eventers and then starting a feud with Rock because Rock put Maven over. Rock costs Taker the Hardcore Championship against Maven, Taker tombstones Rock on the roof of a limo, Flair randomly gets involved I guess as a boss saying to chill out and that was enough to set Taker off. This has a few more weeks of build up than the previous matches, but Flair is also doing a bunch of other shyt as he was co-owner so he was involved in all kinds of shyt every week so it wasn't like a completely linear storyline.
RVD vs Regal: Regal had been feuding with Edge for all of January and most of February, then suddenly RVD replaced Edge but Edge kind of kept his end of the feud up and reverted to rage guy from 1998 as RVD just assumed his spot and title feud. Prior to randomly squashing Regal on TV, RVD had been the object of Goldust's desires since is return at the Rumble and prior to that was just floating around doing whatever.
Trish vs Lita vs Jazz: Jazz just beat Trish's ass every week for months, Lita wasn't even on TV until the Rumble and then was back doing the Team Extreme deal.
Christian vs DDP: DDP wins his job back in the middle of January, right after gets a title shot against Christian, wins, and spends the next 2 months on Heat. Christian meanwhile acts as Jericho's lackey, often with Lance Storm, throwing temper tantrums and quits 4 weeks away from WM.
Booker vs Edge: Edge spends 2 months feuding for the IC title, reverts to rage guy, Booker spends January still at the top of the cards in matches with Austin/Rock/HHH, then February sees him resume his team with Test and challenge for the tag titles and that's immediately dropped and 3 weeks away from WM this comedy angle about a Japanese shampoo commercial comes up.
Now imagine there wasn't a PPV between Rumble and Mania and some of these angles actually had more than 3-4 weeks to build up the biggest show of the year instead of mostly continuing all the angles going into the Rumble through the middle of February, blowing them off, and then starting fresh 4 weeks away from WM.
HHH vs Jericho: Jericho spends all of Jan-3 weeks of Feb feuding with Rock and Austin. HHH spends the same time feuding with Angle and/or Stephanie. This leaves 4 weeks for the actual main event of WM to have any build between the two people in it, and it's mostly centered around Stephanie anyway. Both feuds were far more heated than the Jericho/HHH one.
Hogan vs Rock: Rock spends all of January and February feuding with Jericho and Taker. Hogan arrives the night of NWO and the challenge from Rock is made the next night really just because. Hogan then tries to literally murder Rock TWICE the same night
This also leaves 4 weeks of build for perhaps the most iconic match of a generation.Austin vs Hall: Much like Hogan/Rock, this starts at NWO when the NWO arrived to beat up Austin for no reason other than they're the NWO and that's what they do, with Hall randomly hitting Austin with the Stunner. This happens again on Raw, then Austin abducts Hall on Smackdown and this also leaves 4 weeks of build.
Taker vs Flair: Taker spent most of January and February just popping in and having matches with other main eventers and then starting a feud with Rock because Rock put Maven over. Rock costs Taker the Hardcore Championship against Maven, Taker tombstones Rock on the roof of a limo, Flair randomly gets involved I guess as a boss saying to chill out and that was enough to set Taker off. This has a few more weeks of build up than the previous matches, but Flair is also doing a bunch of other shyt as he was co-owner so he was involved in all kinds of shyt every week so it wasn't like a completely linear storyline.
RVD vs Regal: Regal had been feuding with Edge for all of January and most of February, then suddenly RVD replaced Edge but Edge kind of kept his end of the feud up and reverted to rage guy from 1998 as RVD just assumed his spot and title feud. Prior to randomly squashing Regal on TV, RVD had been the object of Goldust's desires since is return at the Rumble and prior to that was just floating around doing whatever.
Trish vs Lita vs Jazz: Jazz just beat Trish's ass every week for months, Lita wasn't even on TV until the Rumble and then was back doing the Team Extreme deal.
Christian vs DDP: DDP wins his job back in the middle of January, right after gets a title shot against Christian, wins, and spends the next 2 months on Heat. Christian meanwhile acts as Jericho's lackey, often with Lance Storm, throwing temper tantrums and quits 4 weeks away from WM.
Booker vs Edge: Edge spends 2 months feuding for the IC title, reverts to rage guy, Booker spends January still at the top of the cards in matches with Austin/Rock/HHH, then February sees him resume his team with Test and challenge for the tag titles and that's immediately dropped and 3 weeks away from WM this comedy angle about a Japanese shampoo commercial comes up.
Now imagine there wasn't a PPV between Rumble and Mania and some of these angles actually had more than 3-4 weeks to build up the biggest show of the year instead of mostly continuing all the angles going into the Rumble through the middle of February, blowing them off, and then starting fresh 4 weeks away from WM.
shyt was ridiculous. My fiancé just kept asking the same question every episode we watched..”why won’t he just stop then?
”.I stopped watching after the Dx vs brothers of destruction episode.
NOSaintsFan02
Superstar
The Taker doc was good but it lost all its emotional pull because we know how the story played out. I mean marks are probably eating it up and sobbing right now after the last episode but each episode was basically
"Idk if I can do this anymore"
"I will give it one last shot to see if I can"
Taker has either an average or atrocious match
"I'm done."
"I still have that fire though and no one but me can tell me when to go out."
Vince calls Taker for another go around.
Rinse. Lather. Repeat.
The documentary was great as far as behind the scenes access though. Him wearing the Blue Lives, Don't Tread on Me, and Trump shirts especially during this current climate was horrible though. But again, the wrestling bubble is never really affected by social media outcry or fallout.
I appreciate the effort with the documentary though. Obviously they started filming it years ago thinking Taker would have a clear cut finale by now. But Taker is like Flair and Hogan in that he's going to keep going until his body literally can not go anymore. So I applaud them making it as if that last episode was his swan song, but when the prior four episodes was literally him always saying he was done and then coming back, only the mark of marks will believe Taker's last match was vs AJ.
There will be a special edition part 6 next year where Taker talks about returning because "I owe it to the fans to do it in front of them".
"Idk if I can do this anymore"
"I will give it one last shot to see if I can"
Taker has either an average or atrocious match
"I'm done."
"I still have that fire though and no one but me can tell me when to go out."
Vince calls Taker for another go around.
Rinse. Lather. Repeat.
The documentary was great as far as behind the scenes access though. Him wearing the Blue Lives, Don't Tread on Me, and Trump shirts especially during this current climate was horrible though. But again, the wrestling bubble is never really affected by social media outcry or fallout.
I appreciate the effort with the documentary though. Obviously they started filming it years ago thinking Taker would have a clear cut finale by now. But Taker is like Flair and Hogan in that he's going to keep going until his body literally can not go anymore. So I applaud them making it as if that last episode was his swan song, but when the prior four episodes was literally him always saying he was done and then coming back, only the mark of marks will believe Taker's last match was vs AJ.
There will be a special edition part 6 next year where Taker talks about returning because "I owe it to the fans to do it in front of them".