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Idk but with hindsight being 20/20 and all, they really should have held off on WCW as a brand until 2002 when the Hogan/Hall/Nash/Steiner/Sting/Flair/Bischoff contracts were up, done the big money dream matches, then do the brand split as planned but with WWF and WCW instead of Raw and Smackdown.

Had they waited until 2002, they would have given the young WCW guys they brought over time to get some real experience and be established a bit in the WWF without the Invasion shyt on their backs. They could have rehabed WCW's image with the video library to get hype and nostalgia running. They then would have had all the big name WCW guys, along with a returning HHH, Chris Benoit, and Eddie Guerrero, along with the 2002 OVW class with Brock/Batista/Orton/Cena/Shelton, also Rey Mysterio. Since the top WCW stars were mostly olds with limited effort and time to give, after you run the dream matches, you mix up the rosters so each show has a lot of young talent that can take over soon (as not only were all the top WCW guys on borrowed time, but so were Austin and Rock) and carry the brands.

WCW could easily still be a viable and living brand in 2019 with even a slight bit of planning and foresight instead of the outright, open, and petty destruction of it as a victory lap in 2001. There's no reason Smackdown in 2002 couldn't have been WCW.
 

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Say brehs....does Rhonda Rousey have ass? Scale of 1 to 10? I'm at work so I can't necessarily search for this.
 

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The opening to the 9/11 Smackdown is so weird. Vince, who hasn't been on TV for a month and a half or more, is out in his summer attire of giant Tommy Bahama shirt where the top button starts 2 inches below his clavicles and isn't buttoned, so his entire sternum is out. Then he cuts a full Mr. McMahon promo on terrorists. Then they have the roster come out, but still try to keep kayfabe and have the Alliance come out separately and stand behind the WWF roster with a gap between them. They do the whole "we're here to entertain you and make you smile again" but of course everyone is super somber and obviously feels stupid doing wrestler gimmick shyt.

Except Hurricane, who is going full out :mjlol:
 

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Jericho really tied Chyna to a chair and beat her thumb with a hammer...man different times, different times.

I like that they showed the thumb all bloody and cut open afterwards
 

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WWE needs to go back to their vehicular mayhem, they're pretty good at it.

Just watched Vince ram his car into the DX limo and then bash the windows with a baseball bat
 

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Somehow I managed to never watch Unforgiven 2001. It really only seems known for the terrible Kronik/Taker/Kane match and I guess Kurt winning the title, but the whole show is a mess. Just one of those slogs where everyone is having an off night and the chemistry doesn't seem to be there for anyone. The Kronik match is the one most remembered, but Jericho/RVD is every bit as bad and full of constant botches and miscommunications, if not more so. There are so many ugly, ugly spots in that match, most of them end up with Jericho getting kicked in the face or falling wrong, but there are plenty with RVD being lucky not to break a wrist/ankle/neck.

All but I think one match has at least one (sometimes both, sometimes more for tags) guys accidentally busted open. It's just one of those kind of shows where it feels like everyone is struggling just to make it through, and the cheap as hell looking set makes the arena seem way smaller than it is, so it also feels like a smaller show on top of all the in ring stuff. And the Invasion stuff had really almost completely stalled out by this point. With about a month and a half left in the angle:

Austin's feud with Kurt Angle has nothing to do with WCW/WWF anymore. It's pretty much self contained and even the Alliance guys that are left think Austin is full of shyt and are disgusted with him repeatedly trying to cripple Angle. RVD is the most over guy in the Alliance and it drives Austin crazy, but RVD is a face and will wrestle any Alliance guy that wants to have a match.

Booker T and Shane have no involvement in anything Austin is doing. They don't even show up in the backstage or in ring promos Austin does, nor have they since Summerslam. Rhyno has also stopped appearing in these segments, RVD only appears in them if he's going to be involved in an angle with Austin, and DDP is off TV being repackaged into the motivational speaker character. Once Kanyon dropped the US title he was off the main shows, Sean O'Haire was taken off TV completely, so really the only guys out there with Austin are the guys relegated to Heat plus Lance Storm/Hurricane, and Dudleys. They did the Tazz gets punked out by Austin, gets mad, gets punked out again angle for 3 months straight :mjlol:

Outside of the 9/13 Smackdown, Vince hasn't been on TV for months so the "invasion" and takeover aspects have really dropped off. It's pretty much treated like 1998 NWO in WCW where it's just a big stable that's integrated into the whole show.
 

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Is Bret so much of s bytch that he won’t put stampede shows on the network or does Vince need to cut a check
 

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Is Bret so much of s bytch that he won’t put stampede shows on the network or does Vince need to cut a check

Bret only has the rights to Stampede matches he's in. There's other Stampede stuff up in the Hidden Gems section, including a full show of the 1999/00 reboot with Maruo on commentary. There was no interest in Stampede shows apparently. Especially if they have to cut Bret out of them. Usually if they have to cut around something they just don't upload at all.
 
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