TSCers, Who do you think is the most overrated wrestler in the past 20 years?

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Overrated in the sense of being GOAT status. Just like Shawn Michaels, I think fans tend to put him in a level he is not.

I've always enjoyed Kurt's work, just don't think he is as great as some people think :manny:

nobody on freetv in the past twelve years have had as many high quality consistent mathes than angle.


so if angle is overrated then that means you just exposed yourself.

as you have no idea how to guage high quality workrate.

who else has had higher quality moments that was in wwe or alive, this decade than kurt angle?

lemme answer that for you,..nobody!


you just put yourself throughed't the table with this quote i had to reply to.




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Randy Orton
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Ric Flair's in ring performances


on ric flair,..

he just had the best two promo's of the year, just recently.

plus the best most entertaining feud - few years back, as well.

if allowed to be flair and not having to carry slowgun and bytch boss,..naitch will be naitch.

naitch has better promo's and matches than all of evolution.

with the same guys as evolution in a smaller capacity.

or a hof indy grassroots worker than all of evolution.

only feud a clit associated guy flair may not be abke ti touch was:

jericho vs hbk

yet that feud was carried by jericho.

of which,...i can say if you look back.

lethal vs flair, was more entertaining and had a comparable five star match as well.

ric flair = i am your gawd!

the promos are the best reoccurring promo character template this decade!

recently, nobody has a better character template promo wise than ric flair, your gawd!



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Edge, and it's not even a question for me.


i would not say edge is overrated.

as he was forced to ramp up via as the main me draw from a controversial happenstance of life that became a highrating grabbing angle.

then carry the largest promotion as a kinda green heel me guy.

so,..he got oversaturated and exposed from having to do to much.

for a promotion who was to ignorant.

to understand how to properly book and elevate talent from its own card and talent pool.

just so edge could be a plsceholder for a certain son-in-law.

who did not want to have to be overshadowed in absemce.

by a promotion who could have left him behind.

if it worked to elevate more talent.

when if that certain talent was on point.

could have ramped back up quality wise.

to bolster a better more evolved and well rounded me scene.


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Horrible Post.

If anything he is underrated. Went from nothing Jobber to the most popular/over wrestler in the entire WORLD.

I'd say that isn't being overrated.



lol. Nope. Lesnar was amazing in the ring during Ruthless Agression era. He was a freak of nature. Never seen anyone move so quick for being so huge in my life. This is spanning all of sports, not just WWE.




This post is the easily the WORST in here. Are you fukking kidding me? Mysterio? His Mexico/ECW/WCW days are things of legend and his first 2 years in the E he was killing it. Yeah he has slowed down and is gimmicky now, but he had to adapt, he couldn't wrestle at the clip he did forever.

:comeon: first off Mysterio is a great lightweight/xdivision type wrestler, but main eventer...... fukk outta here, he is too small to believably do any damage to anyone in the mainevent scene, second he was in the right place at the right time, his title run came at a time when half the company was injured. he is not a superstar in any other era, not even that 93-97 period. I mean I know its fake but you mean to tell me that shytty ass 619 is gonna hurt people twice his size..:pacspit: for defending that nikka.. oh and add edge to the list... HOF :wtb:
 

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:comeon: first off Mysterio is a great lightweight/xdivision type wrestler, but main eventer...... fukk outta here, he is too small to believably do any damage to anyone in the mainevent scene, second he was in the right place at the right time, his title run came at a time when half the company was injured. he is not a superstar in any other era, not even that 93-97 period. I mean I know its fake but you mean to tell me that shytty ass 619 is gonna hurt people twice his size..:pacspit: for defending that nikka.. oh and add edge to the list... HOF :wtb:


you really have no facts about quality or workrate to support your rant, or opinion.

as you can not dispute facts,......

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Most overrated by IWC: probably RVD. Too many highspots, not enough psychology, and really not that great of a talker. I've never understood the love this guy gets.


just for starters the beginning clip of rvd's somesault plancha.

into the ecw crowd at the beginning of ecw hardcore tv, disputes your posting.

rvd has good homemade cam footage matches better than mostly all of wwe freetv in his background.

rvd is that deal,..breh!!


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you really have no facts about quality or workrate to support your rant, or opinion.

as you can not dispute facts,......

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fukk all that workrate shyt, I watch this shyt to be entertained, watching 5'5 cruierweight beat up 6'8 roided monsters is not entertaining its insulting my intelligence....
 

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Randy Orton - Dude just never could take that next step no matter how much Vince and Co pushed him. The only time he got red hot was the build into Mania 25. Ever since Mania dude has done nothing worthwhile and his character is beyond stale.

Big Slow- Big boring underachiever who was only tolerable in ECW in 06. I would think more of dude if he didn't come back and stink up the joint since 08.

Triple H- Boring ass matches and promos ever since his 02 return dude was always the guy Austin and Rock is feuding with at the time level.

i totally agree with these,....

orton is one of the worst next gen talents of all time.

only using steroid separates him from david flair wih crowbar workrate.

especially when you compare him to ddp.

plus how evolved and quickly when ddp applied himself, that ddp ramped up.

orton wrassles as well as ddp did.

when ddp first stopped being a manager, and became an active inring performer.

before he ramped up if you need a comparison.

it is a black mark on the orton name for randy to use it as a performer.

that is how awful he is.




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Taz - I like dude but cats acting like he should've been going over Austin and shyt :aicmon:

this i don't agree with, at all.

as taz was the arguebaly week to week the highest quality freetv champion during the boom period.

especially, when austin was trapped in awful vesus taker angles like in the higher power angles.

argueably, tazz had some of the better holyshyt moments.

from taz plex'n the world. including rhino ever week in little known bit angles with corino. where he somehow always wound up taz plex'n rhyno throughed't the table.

plus he argueably was the best brawler on freetv easy, as well.

as he even made the bossman look like a bytch before being neutered on wwe tv and in character. he believeably made bossman look like a bytch.
plus, it was obvious a new wave of punishment brawl wise was on the wwe horizon before being shackled and neutered. that still has not been seen brawling wise on wwe tv. wwe fukked up by not using taz accurrately past the first bossman encounter.


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Mr.Anderson/Kennedy- Brittle ass one trick pony hilarious to look back to 07 and see the IWC marks all on this guy nuts talking about being the next breakout star. :duck:


imo,..if he had been a better higher workrate indy standout. with more to his full bag of tricks, than just wwe smashmouth close to me offense and stylings.

i really think he could have been a muh better worker in tna.

when he went to tna his lack of workrate and mic skill diversity was easily exposed. as he had no other parralells to his workrate other than neutered wwe striking. if he would have had more to him other than wwe stylings.

namely let's say he was neutered like benoit, eddy, y2j.

then came on to tna tv. if he would have busted out more of a robust moveset and better matwork and ring psychology.

i think he could have been incredible.

sadly he had no other gears moveset or workrate wise.

especially when you use kanyon's finisher. so when he came on tna he was exposed and warrants all the negative reviews he has garnered.

imo,..if you use any of kanyon's moveset. be able to know more than just snatching kanyon's moves off of youtube.

him going on tna and not even being innovative like kanyon was a let down.

the bad reviews are typically true.

i will admit he had two weeks of good tna freetv, in his history.



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fukk all that workrate shyt, I watch this shyt to be entertained, watching 5'5 cruierweight beat up 6'8 roided monsters is not entertaining its insulting my intelligence....


so if i slingshot off some ropes and double front kick you in the face.

you don't think you would need reconstructive facial surgery.

also,..you think an undertrained big man lug like most of the wwe me scene is.

would actually be able to handle rey rey,..who is argueably jet li of the wrasslin discipline.

you are just a prisoner of awful cripple ache smashmouth neutered brawling extensive intensive workrate.

learn what workrate is.

then you will see how much real wrasslin smarts have to suspend belief.

to even digest a minute of the bullshyt that is wwe tv's idea of workrate.

which is a neutered b*stardized version of injured cripple ache awful smashmouth brawling at best.

against a real grappling expert, all the wwe lugs would not be able to connect one punch.

it would be a lopsided serving of randy vs toney proportions.

especially if we talking about,...nash vs rey rey unneutered.

in a real grappling style exhibition...nobody gets to do that much striking without a discipline studied purpose against a real grappling expert.

a discipline mostly all of the wwe big men have never really had in real life.



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you will have to qualify this with a rant.

i wanna lol at that shyt,...

as no facts support your stance, whatsoever.


art barr

I am only doing this to see the visual stream of consciousness you will type in response.

Punk is overrated because:
1. His moveset is pedestrian and his execution of said moves borders on the criminally sloppy yet his fanboys tlak him up like he on Bret Hart's level.
2. His mic skills are serviceable at best yet his fanboys gush over his promos like he is the second coming of Flair or Dusty.
3. His charisma/screen presence is sorely lacking yet his fanboys actually think he has major star power even after he looks like the definition of a Vanilla Midget when put into situations wherre he has to be onscreen with legit superstars.

Now you can go to work on your retaliatory screed.
 

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I am only doing this to see the visual stream of consciousness you will type in response.

Punk is overrated because:
1. His moveset is pedestrian and his execution of said moves borders on the criminally sloppy yet his fanboys tlak him up like he on Bret Hart's level.

actually punk's moveset and striking are as close to stiff muay thai influenced shoot style accurrate as you can get with wwe moveset limitations.

i enjoy seeing his looks stiff but is gentle execution.

namely his stero loud kicks, his enfamous knee to bulldog and slingshot springboard clothesline.

those are the good things about punk. as he actually makes the moves as close to authentically stiff as you can get in a wwe ring.

whereas most wwe performers are so neutered. it looks like they are pawing one another, most of the time.

OSAMA McDONALD said:
2. His mic skills are serviceable at best yet his fanboys gush over his promos like he is the second coming of Flair or Dusty.

i just don't see how you do not find his mic skills great.
nobody can recreate duhtay, and nobody can recreate flair.

yet, punk is the what if muay thai trained version of steve corrino and mike sanders, rolled into one.
that could work inring but better on the mic with hof inring psychology.

coupled with a sound stiff moveset and workrate that is as close to authentic striking wise.

you will get from a wwe performer.

BOBBY COUNT RINGWORM tettis BOUCHER said:
3. His charisma/screen presence is sorely lacking yet his fanboys actually think he has major star power even after he looks like the definition of a Vanilla Midget when put into situations wherre he has to be onscreen with legit superstars.

Now you can go to work on your retaliatory screed.

if people praise hbk on the mic and his charisma.

which i personally never thought was great.

then i think punk definately, is naturally more charismatic and funnier than hbk.

with a higher level of keen psychological wit and personality inring.

who is of the same height, ilk and build as a performer.

minus the roids, to blow up his physique.

if, we straight up compared punk to hbk.

plus he has more classic matches, and ramped up faster than hbk, as a singles/tag performer.
nor is phil as overrated as hbk either.

which is more based on the gateway aesthetics of hbk's fanbase.
those hbk stans do not have an actual full knowledge of the history of wrasslin.
[most of hbk's fan picking him because of gateway aesthetics. are as delussional as if i said hulk hogun was the highest quality wrassler inring, of all time. all because he was my gateway entry into watching wrasslin]



when it comes to punk.

punk was one of the few great questionmark to next sureshot original indy talents.

that worked his way up with a high all around quality grassroots movement.

not a political campaign of bullshyt hazing and gamesmanship.

i think maybe you were not familiar with this grassroots rise to stardom.

so you are judging his talents with severe scrutiny.

after he arrived to the big dance.
which is the wrong way to go about it.

what i urge you to do is possibly go look up his ascension. then understand his series in his career.

then maybe you will appreciate what he does and how limited he is, and still produces high quality work.


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