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that was the 2nd time paul bizzie made me mark, the 1st time was when he returned w kane back in 2000 wearing that red & black armani suit w the fresh black hair dye looking like a million bucks
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TSC Evaluation #50: The Undertaker
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that was the 2nd time paul bizzie made me mark, the 1st time was when he returned w kane back in 2000 wearing that red & black armani suit w the fresh black hair dye looking like a million bucks
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Mantis Toboggan M.D.
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aka #DiamondNightmare
My first legit time participating in this evaluation. Lord knows why I never done them.
Anyways...Taker gets a 10. Easy 10 to start this off.
Too many classic moments whether it be entrances, beatdowns, matches, etc. You name 'em!
Anyways...Taker gets a 10. Easy 10 to start this off.
Too many classic moments whether it be entrances, beatdowns, matches, etc. You name 'em!
Golayitdown
Veteran
This one is hard as hell when I really sit down and think about it. I 100% agree with @TheGreatShowtime's thread, but I can also agree with @puppetmaster's assertion that he's a 10/10 legend. Please bear with the long ass post. Or scroll past it 
-Mic work/promos: 5. His career as a whole is a
on the mic. He's so fukking inconsistent, especially when you break down his whole career. His early career (not counting anything before 90), he was fully immersed in the gimmick, so he can't be really judged there. His ministry run was largely filled with 
sprinkled with very very few decent moments. It's eerily similar to Bray, except that Bray is actually going for 
with his promos. Looking back at Raws from that era, he's not bad (as in he can say words without stumbling) but he was boring as fukk (produced CDQ audiences in the attitude era) and was not saying shyt at all. He was completely outclassed by every main eventer in that era and has like no memorable moments. His ABA run was much of the same. I am the biggest Big Evil mark and he was great to me just as a big bully that didn't fukk with anybody. He had some dope lines here and there and just seemed much more comfortable. By the end of his run (e.g. the last 5 years), he regressed back to boring on the mic. Overall, in 25+ years, he doesn't have many standout moments on the mic. If you asked most people for his best moment on the mic, you're almost guaranteed to get 1 of 3 answers: 1) silencing the what chants, 2) crippling more people than polio, or 3) the heel turn on JR. Everything else is pretty forgettable.
-Personality/gimmicks: 10. OG Taker is the GOAT gimmick bar none. He was so great in that role that he was able to reinvent himself 3-4 times with derivative gimmicks and still stayed over. Hell he even spun off another GOAT level gimmick in Kane
I can't think of anybody in the world that could have made that shyt work for so long. If the Undertaker gimmick never existed, I would give a 
to somebody who told me that a dead mortician could ever make waves.
Unlike most people, I do NOT lump ABA and Big Evil together. Once he said "so you think you're better than me" to JR, he was a completely different guy
-Ring work (along with some of your favorite matches/feuds): 8.5 He's a very good big man worker and did some
shyt for a guy his size in his prime (walking the ropes, top rope dives to the outside, etc.). However, he was only as good as his competition and wasn't known for carrying a match. He also didn't always click with even the best of workers. The streak is overrated as fukk and half of it (even if you exclude a couple of the early matches), is mediocre to 
He also stayed way too long as somebody else said. Retiring after the Michaels series on the top of his game would have been for the best. That last match was
but did prove that his opponent is easily capable of being a main eventer 
As for feuds, he was absolutely gold with Kane, Michaels, and Mankind (and a couple of others). He has some of the GOAT moments and matches in recent history.
-Overall rating (which doesn't have to be an average of the above scores: (8.5 rounded to 9) He's got the GOAT gimmick and could go when necessary. He's undoubtedly a legend who is synonymous with many of our childhoods as fans. As such, he will always be looked at in an extremely positive light because of nostalgia. A closer look at his career would take him down a couple of notches because he's mediocre to slightly above average in some key areas of being an all-around entertainer.
-Mic work/promos: 5. His career as a whole is a
on the mic. He's so fukking inconsistent, especially when you break down his whole career. His early career (not counting anything before 90), he was fully immersed in the gimmick, so he can't be really judged there. His ministry run was largely filled with sprinkled with very very few decent moments. It's eerily similar to Bray, except that Bray is actually going for with his promos. Looking back at Raws from that era, he's not bad (as in he can say words without stumbling) but he was boring as fukk (produced CDQ audiences in the attitude era) and was not saying shyt at all. He was completely outclassed by every main eventer in that era and has like no memorable moments. His ABA run was much of the same. I am the biggest Big Evil mark and he was great to me just as a big bully that didn't fukk with anybody. He had some dope lines here and there and just seemed much more comfortable. By the end of his run (e.g. the last 5 years), he regressed back to boring on the mic. Overall, in 25+ years, he doesn't have many standout moments on the mic. If you asked most people for his best moment on the mic, you're almost guaranteed to get 1 of 3 answers: 1) silencing the what chants, 2) crippling more people than polio, or 3) the heel turn on JR. Everything else is pretty forgettable.-Personality/gimmicks: 10. OG Taker is the GOAT gimmick bar none. He was so great in that role that he was able to reinvent himself 3-4 times with derivative gimmicks and still stayed over. Hell he even spun off another GOAT level gimmick in Kane
I can't think of anybody in the world that could have made that shyt work for so long. If the Undertaker gimmick never existed, I would give a to somebody who told me that a dead mortician could ever make waves.Unlike most people, I do NOT lump ABA and Big Evil together. Once he said "so you think you're better than me" to JR, he was a completely different guy
-Ring work (along with some of your favorite matches/feuds): 8.5 He's a very good big man worker and did some
shyt for a guy his size in his prime (walking the ropes, top rope dives to the outside, etc.). However, he was only as good as his competition and wasn't known for carrying a match. He also didn't always click with even the best of workers. The streak is overrated as fukk and half of it (even if you exclude a couple of the early matches), is mediocre to He also stayed way too long as somebody else said. Retiring after the Michaels series on the top of his game would have been for the best. That last match was
but did prove that his opponent is easily capable of being a main eventer As for feuds, he was absolutely gold with Kane, Michaels, and Mankind (and a couple of others). He has some of the GOAT moments and matches in recent history.
-Overall rating (which doesn't have to be an average of the above scores: (8.5 rounded to 9) He's got the GOAT gimmick and could go when necessary. He's undoubtedly a legend who is synonymous with many of our childhoods as fans. As such, he will always be looked at in an extremely positive light because of nostalgia. A closer look at his career would take him down a couple of notches because he's mediocre to slightly above average in some key areas of being an all-around entertainer.
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Mic work: 7.5
His gimmick didn't allow him to cut many memorable promos, because once you've heard one, you've heard them all. However, there were some that have stood out (his work against Shawn and Triple H from 2009-2012 was great), and judging from the work I've seen from his ABA/Big Evil days, he was definitely capable of handling himself on the mic (his heel turn in 2001 remains one of his all-time greatest moments).
Ring work: 9
His matches slowly deteriorated after the Streak ended. Actually, I think the first bad match I could remember him having was when the Streak ended. He was never the same after that (lack of motivation, injuries, etc.) and he looked horrible this year against Roman, but when he could go, he was one of the best performers of the night. Agile for a big man, variety of offensive moves, plenty of quality matches under his belt. For a long time, he was definitely fun to watch. The fact that some of his best matches were after he turned 40 is unbelievable.
Gimmick: 10
Not even a debate. In an era where gimmicks are de-emphasized and characters are protected with a rubber band, the fact that the mystique and aura of The Undertaker was kept for so many years is a testament to how well Mark Calaway played this character and how smart the company was for making him larger than life. Bray Wyatt is a perfect example of what can happen when you don't put effort into preserving a gimmick and in ten years, we probably won't even be talking about him. This character was one of the WWE's best creations, but only because Mark Calaway elevated it to levels that others could never do.
Overall: 10
The Undertaker is one of the GOATs for a reason. He had a presence and a command of the crowd that very few wrestlers could dream of having. The company really made you believe that this man could send people to the depths of hell, teleport to the ring, and control the lights of any arena he entered. The only time he stopped being entertaining and captivating was when it became obvious he should have hung up the boots already. If I could rewrite his career, I would definitely have him retire after WrestleMania XXVIII or let him go 25-0 because the only noteworthy thing he did after 2012 was feud with Punk. And looking back, the Streak should have never been broken. But Undertaker put in the work his entire career, and I'm glad I had a chance to see him perform in his last few good years.
His gimmick didn't allow him to cut many memorable promos, because once you've heard one, you've heard them all. However, there were some that have stood out (his work against Shawn and Triple H from 2009-2012 was great), and judging from the work I've seen from his ABA/Big Evil days, he was definitely capable of handling himself on the mic (his heel turn in 2001 remains one of his all-time greatest moments).
Ring work: 9
His matches slowly deteriorated after the Streak ended. Actually, I think the first bad match I could remember him having was when the Streak ended. He was never the same after that (lack of motivation, injuries, etc.) and he looked horrible this year against Roman, but when he could go, he was one of the best performers of the night. Agile for a big man, variety of offensive moves, plenty of quality matches under his belt. For a long time, he was definitely fun to watch. The fact that some of his best matches were after he turned 40 is unbelievable.
Gimmick: 10
Not even a debate. In an era where gimmicks are de-emphasized and characters are protected with a rubber band, the fact that the mystique and aura of The Undertaker was kept for so many years is a testament to how well Mark Calaway played this character and how smart the company was for making him larger than life. Bray Wyatt is a perfect example of what can happen when you don't put effort into preserving a gimmick and in ten years, we probably won't even be talking about him. This character was one of the WWE's best creations, but only because Mark Calaway elevated it to levels that others could never do.
Overall: 10
The Undertaker is one of the GOATs for a reason. He had a presence and a command of the crowd that very few wrestlers could dream of having. The company really made you believe that this man could send people to the depths of hell, teleport to the ring, and control the lights of any arena he entered. The only time he stopped being entertaining and captivating was when it became obvious he should have hung up the boots already. If I could rewrite his career, I would definitely have him retire after WrestleMania XXVIII or let him go 25-0 because the only noteworthy thing he did after 2012 was feud with Punk. And looking back, the Streak should have never been broken. But Undertaker put in the work his entire career, and I'm glad I had a chance to see him perform in his last few good years.
I'll give him a 7, not so much for his work, but for his standing in the company for so long. It's impossible not to acknowledge that his career is VERY uneven, with him being in a majority of the worst feuds of the 90s, having a 2 year stretch of greatness when he got rid of the gimmick, then went back to every other feud being terrible for another decade. His importance in the company was overstated as early as 1997 when JR was saying he was the greatest superstar of all time, and that mythology of him lasts to this day. The truth is, out of a 27 year career with WWE, he had like...3 total good years.
He should never be forgiven for how absurdly unprofessional he was during the Invasion, while guys like Rock and Angle were killing themselves to make guys look strong, Taker would squash them in 3 minutes and give them absolutely nothing. Austin would be out there making an ass of himself every week, while Taker would intentionally make his opponents look bad. For a dude with his reputation of a locker room leader for so long, for him to go out and act like that for 6 months is ridiculous.
Also considering the length of his career, that he only really put over and made 2 stars (Mankind, Brock), is also pretty fukking crazy.
He should never be forgiven for how absurdly unprofessional he was during the Invasion, while guys like Rock and Angle were killing themselves to make guys look strong, Taker would squash them in 3 minutes and give them absolutely nothing. Austin would be out there making an ass of himself every week, while Taker would intentionally make his opponents look bad. For a dude with his reputation of a locker room leader for so long, for him to go out and act like that for 6 months is ridiculous.
Also considering the length of his career, that he only really put over and made 2 stars (Mankind, Brock), is also pretty fukking crazy.
You reaching..
malbaker86
Gators
7 to me
Am I? Because I've been going through the Invasion and Taker buries and squashes everyone he's in the ring with. Angle and Rock are dying for Rhyno, Taker beats him in 2 1/2 minutes with a CHOKESLAM. Couldn't even be bothered to hit his real finisher, when this is a dude all the other main eventers are bumping like death for. Obviously he destroyed Kanyon and DDP's WWE careers. Beats the Dudleys in a table match. Beats the shyt out of the NBT. Makes Booker look like trash repeatedly. Routinely beat the shyt out of 5+ Alliance dudes at once by himself. Had his wife beating up WCW guys. He went out of his way to make all those guys look like second rate hacks when Rock/Angle/Austin/Jericho were doing everything they could to make them look legit.
Maybe because at the time he was trying to get his new gimmick over..
The gimmick he had for over a year at that point? Lmao at treating 11 years in Taker as some dude who had to get his gimmick over by making everyone around him look like trash.
It's not real,bruh.