Kliq stans all in their feelings because posters don't idolize their hero like they do, you gotta be fukking kidding me
I wonder if they even be in these evaluation threads like this, or did they just come through because of Shawn like casuals do in boxing threads with Mayweather
Don't accuse me of being a hater either, because I gave Hickenbottom a 9 and I don't even fukk with him like that, higher than Vader who I'm a big fan of
This right here is such bs It's been proven with numbers and facts that Shawn was the best draw in the mid 90's and the company almost sank in 1995 not 96 and HBK didnt become champ until 1996. Bret Hart was the champ and he was the worst draw he was so bad they took the belt off of him and put it on BOB FUKKIN BACKLUND IN 1995 then they had to put it on Diesel because Bret couldn't draw a dime. Diesel couldn't draw either and Shawn was having match of the night every night and was the only thing worth watching during this time period. Then they put the belt on HBK in 1996 and the ratings went way up this is a fact look it up. The Raw ratings doubled and were setting record highs when HBK was champ up until about June of 1996 when the NWO was formed which sparked the greatest boom in wrestling history. WTF was Shawn supposed to do going against the NWO when he was feuding with the British Bulldog . So of course the ratings went down but they never dropped to 1995 numbers when Bret was champ.
As I said in my first post, there is a difference between being a great wrestler and being the complete package. Michaels checks the first box multiple times over but misses the mark in other aspects.
The lengths some of y'all go to cape for your favorites is hilarious. It's perfectly fine to simply say he's your favorite and leave it at that instead of passing off those inaccuracies and logical fallacies in your post as fact.
All the Bret vs. Shawn stuff you typed is completely irrelevant because not only is this an assessment of Michaels and his talents alone but also because your numbers and timeframe is completely wrong as well. Even the blurb you quoted was me simply reflecting on how bad the character was at that time rather than trying to factor in drawing power in his rating. Since you brought it up though, let's clear up your errors.
Backlund won the belt from Bret at SS94 (Nov.) and was the epitome of a transitional champ holding the belt for only 3 days. This is more of an effect of Vince shying away from face vs. face matches and wanting to do something shocking and different at MSG to kick off his next "guy". The guy who you should have wasted all that effort typing about (Diesel) took the belt from Backlund in 94 at MSG as he was the champ for damn near all of 1995 until he lost the belt to Bret at SS95 (Nov.). Bret was only champ a grand total of about 6 whole weeks in 95.
So now that that is clear, let's cover all your draw talk. We can use the abysmal 1995 (which was actually led by Diesel) as the litmus test for poor/low drawing. Instead of posting free Raw ratings where the numbers are sketchy at best (segment by segment quarterly ratings), use a basic trackable metric that has always been used for the champ (right or wrong) - PPV numbers. If total house numbers were available, we could use those too.
Somebody compiled a New Generation ratings breakdown of Diesel vs. Michaels. Using this, Michaels actually routinely drew less than Diesel even though Michaels benefited from a much better overall product
King of the Ring PPV buyrates:
(0.85) - Piper vs. Lawler - KOTR 94
(0.65 ) - Diesel/Bigelow vs. Sid/Tatanka - KOTR 95
(0.60) - HBK vs. Bulldog - KOTR 96
(0.50) - Taker vs. Farooq - KOTR 97
SummerSlam PPV buyrates:
(1.30) - Taker vs. Taker - SS 94
(0.90) - Diesel vs. Mabel - SS 95
(0.80) - Bret Hart vs. Taker - SS 97
(0.58) - HBK vs. Vader - SS 96
Survivor Series PPV buyrate:
(0.90) - Taker vs. Yokozuna - SS 94
(0.89) - Bret Hart vs. HBK - SS 97
(0.58) - HBK vs. Sid - SS 96
(0.57) - Diesel vs. Bret Hart - SS 95
In Your House PPV buyrates:
(0.83) - Diesel vs. Sid - IYH 1 [14 May 95]
(0.75) - Diesel vs. Bret Hart - IYH 6 [18 Feb 96]
(0.70) - Diesel vs. Sid - IYH 2 [23 July 95]
(0.70) - Diesel/HBK vs. Yokozuna/Bulldog - IYH 3 [24 Sept 95]
(0.65) - Diesel vs. HBK - IYH 7 [28 April 96]
(0.60) - HBK vs. Taker - IYH 18 [5 Oct 97]
(0.59) - Hart Foundation vs. Team USA - IYH 16 [6 July 97]
(0.57) - Austin vs. Taker - IYH 15 [11 May 97]
(0.50) - Bret Hart vs Taker vs Austin vs Vader - IYH 13 [16 Feb 97]
(0.50) - Bret Hart vs. Austin - IYH 14 [20 April 97]
(0.48) - HBK vs. Mankind - IYH 10 [22 Sept 96]
(0.45) - HBK vs. Bulldog - IYH 8 [26 & 28 May 96]
(0.40) - Diesel vs. Bulldog - IYH 4 [22 Oct 95]
(0.40) - Taker vs. Mankind - IYH 11 [20 Oct 96]
(0.37) - Vader/Owen/Bulldog vs. HBK/AJ/Sid - IYH 9 [21 July 96]
(0.35) - Bret Hart vs. Sid - IYH 12 [15 Dec 96]
(0.33) - Bret Hart vs. Bulldog - IYH 5 [17 Dec 95]
This right here is such bs It's been proven with numbers and facts that Shawn was the best draw in the mid 90's and the company almost sank in 1995 not 96 and HBK didnt become champ until 1996. Bret Hart was the champ and he was the worst draw he was so bad they took the belt off of him and put it on BOB FUKKIN BACKLUND IN 1995 then they had to put it on Diesel because Bret couldn't draw a dime. Diesel couldn't draw either and Shawn was having match of the night every night and was the only thing worth watching during this time period. Then they put the belt on HBK in 1996 and the ratings went way up this is a fact look it up. The Raw ratings doubled and were setting record highs when HBK was champ up until about June of 1996 when the NWO was formed which sparked the greatest boom in wrestling history. WTF was Shawn supposed to do going against the NWO when he was feuding with the British Bulldog . So of course the ratings went down but they never dropped to 1995 numbers when Bret was champ.
The ratings didn't have that much of a spike. Michaels 1st Raw as champ only improved 0.01 from the previous week from Bret being champ. The general ratings went up and down between 2.3-3.5. when Bret was champ in 96 as they did for Michaels in 96, up and till the formation of nWo. Bret had 4 Raws over 3.0 in 96, Michaels had 5. The only thing Michaels had rating wise as company face/Champ over Bret was that the ratings popped two 4's (in that 5 )and one of those it had no competition on that night from WCW, it was 4.7 (Michaels vs Lawler). And Michaels wasn't even on the other Raw that popped a 4.
WCW was leading 6/7 of the previous weeks before the reveal. In fact, they even lead the ratings the week before Hall turned up.
Had to go full 10. Top 5 in the ring all time in my eyes. His promos could be hit or miss. Has some classics on the mic but also had times where he was boring as fukk and would drag on endlessly. So I'd give him an 8 for promos just for all the classic moments. His feuds and classic matches were numerous. To the point it's really hard to just narrow down what his best one is. He was at his best as the obnoxious heel but I think his boyhood dream stuff played to the younger audience a lot. Looking at it through older eyes and it's eye roll inducing though. Overall though all the classic feuds/matches overrides the at times boring promos and the horrible DX reunion. An all-time great that earns his 10.
It’s definitely Kobe Stans. They have not only the deepest collection of shyt tier posters, but have the worst of them too. They have the autistic wigger who types in all caps and swagnificent, the WOAT to end all WOAT’s, who they all bit their stanning style from. That alone ends the debate.
put him in a different promotion with no WWF brainwashing & conditioning, and no politics for him to play; and he would get a 7 from most of the people in here voting 10.
the original john cena/roman reigns failed face of the company, getting booed out of buildings.
and yea, I definitely agree with the kobe comparisons being mentioned in here.
EDIT: after reading thru this thread, im dropping him to a 7, in order to balance out all the delusional dikkriding.
This right here is such bs It's been proven with numbers and facts that Shawn was the best draw in the mid 90's and the company almost sank in 1995 not 96 and HBK didnt become champ until 1996. Bret Hart was the champ and he was the worst draw he was so bad they took the belt off of him and put it on BOB FUKKIN BACKLUND IN 1995 then they had to put it on Diesel because Bret couldn't draw a dime. Diesel couldn't draw either and Shawn was having match of the night every night and was the only thing worth watching during this time period. Then they put the belt on HBK in 1996 and the ratings went way up this is a fact look it up. The Raw ratings doubled and were setting record highs when HBK was champ up until about June of 1996 when the NWO was formed which sparked the greatest boom in wrestling history. WTF was Shawn supposed to do going against the NWO when he was feuding with the British Bulldog . So of course the ratings went down but they never dropped to 1995 numbers when Bret was champ.
the ratings were a lil better in '96 because of the improvement of the roster & the product. not because of no corny ass HBK breh. dude wasn't a draw.
and the ratings went up around when he won the belt because the ultimate warrior came back.
you also had a lot of wcw cast-offs coming thru and basically taking the spotlight(goldust, foley, vader, Austin, simmons, etc) and the rise of people like ahmed Johnson. Sid coming back, etc.
this braindead Meltzer way of thinking, that whoever holds the belt is automatically the draw, is the dumbest chit ever. we actually changed the channel when HBK came out. he was consistent with the dope matches, but even with that, his in-ring style was still soft, corny, phoney, he had the worst finishing move ever, and he benefited from being a big fish in a small pond when it came to workrate. send him over to WCW and he'd be just another guy when it came to workrate. so im not giving him a 10 for workrate either. I don't care how many un-deserved MOTY awards he gets from Meltzer and Apter.
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It's been proven with numbers and facts that Shawn was the best draw in the mid 90's and the company almost sank in 1995 not 96 and HBK didnt become champ until 1996. Bret Hart was the champ and he was the worst draw he was so bad they took the belt off of him and put it on BOB FUKKIN BACKLUND IN 1995 then they had to put it on Diesel because Bret couldn't draw a dime. Diesel couldn't draw either and Shawn was having match of the night every night and was the only thing worth watching during this time period. Then they put the belt on HBK in 1996 and the ratings went way up this is a fact look it up. The Raw ratings doubled and were setting record highs when HBK was champ up until about June of 1996 when the NWO was formed which sparked the greatest boom in wrestling history. WTF was Shawn supposed to do going against the NWO when he was feuding with the British Bulldog 
. So of course the ratings went down but they never dropped to 1995 numbers when Bret was champ. 
