Tsc brehs, School me on the history of xpac heat.....

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It was during that 01-02 run where he'd do the same shyt every match, barely show a personality yet still won the majority of his matches (clean) and was high up on the card

People were just sick of seeing him
*Until the Bronco Buster * :mjlol:
That Bronco Buster consistently had an 11 yr old me like :lolbron: though.


:manny:

Breh lowkey might be why white 90s babies have a fascination with teabagging :patrice: :francis:
 
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X-Pac was most definitely more over than Mankind at the time Mankind's main event push started. Mick was not getting strong reactions for a good 2 months in that position. Actually, Mick had real issues getting and staying over with WWE crowds. People tend to forget that going into HIAC, he has NO heat at all. After it, he didn't have much more, and started turning into a comedy joke character who suddenly was in the main event picture to keep Austin and Rock apart before WM.

The lowest buy rates for PPVs after Austin won the title in 1998 both involved Foley in the main event. Over The Edge (Austin vs Dude Love 2) did 500,000 less than WM, 100,000 than Unforgiven. Rock/Mankind at Rock Bottom fell in between OTE and Unforgiven. As a headliner, Mick wasn't doing shyt for ratings/buyrates in 1998. And after that, he was never the TRUE main event attraction, since his next two matches took place on the Rumble (with Austin and Vince in the rumble itself) and was semi-main to Austin/Vince in a cage. Then a triple threat with Austin/HHH that wasn't made a triple threat until a few days before the show.

He only had one PPV main event where he was truly the main event and star, and that was No Way Out 2000 (his retirement show), and that did better numbers than the Feb PPV the year before. But that was after a year of main events and being buddy buddy with The Rock, the biggest draw of the period. In 1998, he wasn't very over and was in fact struggling to keep his head above water.

However, X-Pac was never even attempted to be pushed in the main events, so there is really no way to quantify who was a bigger draw or anything. You can definitely HEAR the difference in their reactions in 1998, though.
Giving me PPV numbers is pointless. I don't need any of that. I was actually watching back then and saw/heard with my own two eyes and ears. X-pac was not more over than Mankind, he just wasn't. You sound ridiculous.
 

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Giving me PPV numbers is pointless. I don't need any of that. I was actually watching back then and saw/heard with my own two eyes and ears. X-pac was not more over than Mankind, he just wasn't. You sound ridiculous.

Watch it now and not leave it to 15 year old memories from when you were a kid.
 

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X-Pac Heat.

He was, by far, the LEAST popular person in DX.

He had no classic matches or rivalries, he had no popular catchphrases, he had a bronco buster.

He was treated like the annoying sidekick, because that's what he was.

He was the Unpopular Person surrounded by VERY popular people.

Even his DX theme was terrible, and sounded like somehting he begged that lead singer to do, which he then did in his living room alone.

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Lot of lies here. Xpac was just as over if not more than anyone in DX. Go watch his KOTR 98 qualifying match vs HHH. Fans were clearly on his side.

Rivalries?

The D-Lo European title feud
The Shane feud
The HHH feud
The Jeff Jarett feud

Without Xpac, Shane/HHH/JJ don't pop off as heels anywhere close to the way they did.
 
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Watch it now and not leave it to 15 year old memories from when you were a kid.
I actually have. I'm not denying X-Pac was over at one point. DX as a group was really over, and he was a part of that no doubt. He just wasn't Mick. You say he struggled to get and stay over? There may be truth to that, but I think that had more to do with his constant changing persona more than anything. In 1998, he competed in matches as Mankind, Cactus Jack and Dude Love. He even had a match on Raw versus Terry Funk as plain old Mick Foley lol. He also was changing between face and heel all the while. Xpac just wasn't big enough or versatile enough to be a major player in that era, that's really what it comes down to. He was good as a second tier guy tho.

It's unfair to compare him to Mick who was arguably the 3rd or 4h most over SOLO main event guy on the roster during the Attitude Era. It's crazy that amongst the IWC Mankind has now become somewhat underrated as more and more time goes by. For whatever reasons, dudes just don't like giving Mick credit for how good and important he was during those times.
 

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I actually have. I'm not denying X-Pac was over at one point. DX as a group was really over, and he was a part of that no doubt. He just wasn't Mick. You say he struggled to get and stay over? There may be truth to that, but I think that had more to do with his constant changing persona more than anything. In 1998, he competed in matches as Mankind, Cactus Jack and Dude Love. He even had a match on Raw versus Terry Funk as plain old Mick Foley lol. He also was changing between face and heel all the while. Xpac just wasn't big enough or versatile enough to be a major player in that era, that's really what it comes down to. He was good as a second tier guy tho.

It's unfair to compare him to Mick who was arguably the 3rd or 4h most over SOLO main event guy on the roster during the Attitude Era. It's crazy that amongst the IWC Mankind has now become somewhat underrated as more and more time goes by. For whatever reasons, dudes just don't like giving Mick credit for how good and important he was during those times.

X-Pac wasn't more over than Mick when Mick finally got and stayed over. That's not what I'm saying. At the time Mick actually started his main event push, he wasn't really getting reactions in either directions. He had basically been in free fall since becoming Corporate Dude Love in April. Meanwhile, X-Pac was insane over from around May 1998-Feb/March 1999. In fact, X-Pac (along with the rest of DX and Austin) endorsing Mick is what really got him over the hump in the first place.
 
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X-Pac wasn't more over than Mick when Mick finally got and stayed over. That's not what I'm saying. At the time Mick actually started his main event push, he wasn't really getting reactions in either directions. He had basically been in free fall since becoming Corporate Dude Love in April. Meanwhile, X-Pac was insane over from around May 1998-Feb/March 1999. In fact, X-Pac (along with the rest of DX and Austin) endorsing Mick is what really got him over the hump in the first place.
:whew:Ok you had me scared for a minute.

Fair enough. I understand your point.
 

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He was really over until he got stale, I remember during the invasion angle when he was a face on WWE's side and getting Xpac sucks chants lol. I think they just needed to tweak his character after like 99 because he could work his gimmick just never evolved from 96
 

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Watching early 2000 WWF (started at survivor series 99, gonna watch till end of 2000).. my god this guy's fukking annoying. Nowhere near as bad as that X-Factor bullshyt but my god I can't explain it but he's so fukkin annoying :snoop: running into every D-X match and X factoring them so new age outlaws win every match:snoop:



Wait.. why was road Dogg still doin the ring entrance on the mic as if they were babyfaces when D-X was full blown heel at this stage :snoop:
 

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Watching early 2000 WWF (started at survivor series 99, gonna watch till end of 2000).. my god this guy's fukking annoying. Nowhere near as bad as that X-Factor bullshyt but my god I can't explain it but he's so fukkin annoying :snoop: running into every D-X match and X factoring them so new age outlaws win every match:snoop:



Wait.. why was road Dogg still doin the ring entrance on the mic as if they were babyfaces when D-X was full blown heel at this stage :snoop:

The new age outlaws ring entrance was never a babyface thing. They were doing it before they even joined DX and were originally heels. People just started fukking with it
 

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Don't believe what these ppl tell you, XPac had go-away/turn the channel heat. If he was so super over, why didn't he ever main event anything outside of a throwaway RAW?
Yeah wtf are these dudes talking about? Nobody gave a fukk about X-Pac/Syxx/1-2-3 Kid or whatever.
 
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