Trump attacks Mark Zuckerberg over H1-B visa program.

[godkiller]

Breh, there are more of them working here with permanent positions than over in India. I work with 2 of the biggest companies that do the offshoring ( Value momentum and cognizant ). You guys are missing the game they are playing and solely focusing on the ones over seas. They are creating a back and forth connection, you know how we are always talking about how AA's should hook up with Africa?, well that's what they are doing with their home country. Creating a pipeline to funnel more of them into the industry. Not only that, the ones that are here are already telling their kids " You are going into either Engineering or Medicine, pick".

My point is, we need more of us in the industry to not only compete, but create some of the jobs ourselves. Hell think of another field/industry where you can create your own company with as little startup capital as programming/software? You would spend more money trying to open a nail store or barbershop vs a small software company( Essentially you only need a computer to start it ). I mean we just had a thread in TRL where a black 20 year old made $300 in 2 hours( Lets not factor in the time to develop the game because it's a strategic move to increase his user base ), we also had a thread in the Arcadium where a black developer raised $30K to fund his game.

Believe it or not, most of the programming positions are still here in America or in the UK. There are even reports of bringing some of the jobs back from India because of the shytty quality in turn costing more money to develop the software( and I can speak on this from personal experience ). And if we keep brushing off computer programming as a field where minorities are getting raped salary wise, it really will be to late. Because you better believe you have a higher chance of a white person hiring you for a programming position than a Indian/Asian. They truly stick to their own.

What other field creates as many jobs and quality paying jobs as fast as something related to math/programming/technology ? So yes we need more of us in there.

I'd rather the companies go offshore and reap American political wrath than have the companies bring Asians and Indians over here to monopolize over not only tech, but healthcare and finance and everything else in between. The former is the better evil. The number of Africans that cacs will bring into America is finite and doesn't come close to Asians and Indians, so just advocating for Africans is not the solution. The country will turn half Mexican and half Inddian before anything happens on that end. Rather we should advocate for more Africans AND fewer Asians/Indians. While entrepreurship is great and blacks should do more of it, more advocacy in that regard is not going to help blacks as much as just getting rid of HB-1 visas. The fact is we just do not have the numbers to compete with Indians/Asians. The best solution is Trump's solution.

 

[Camile.Bidan]

Programmer salaries would be even higher if not for Asians and Indians HB-1s bringing the value down. Companies would then be FORCED to hire blacks and Hispanics. The issue now is that companies can hire a Chinese HB-1 PhD student for 10 dollars an hour, and say fukk it. That's the point. Moreover, the fact is that blacks and Hispanics can't and shouldn't have to compete with 2 billion fukking Asian and Indians for our groups. On numbers alone, blacks and Hispanics LOSE. These people aren't American origin and it's not America's responsibility to give them anything. It is, however, America's RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF ITS PEOPLE.

Even higher? Programmers are starting at 130-150 in the bay now. That's not high enough?

 

[tru_m.a.c]

I'm in one of our satellite offices( Rockville , MD ),

 

[tru_m.a.c]

As I say every time Trump/a republican, brings up the loss of American jobs to foreign workers, do y'all fight for American workers when corporations ship jobs overseas or do you start complaining about lowering taxes and changing the tax code?

So now we care about black employment? When we tell you that x industry doesn't do enough to hire blacks, you complain and bring up affirmative action/reverse racism. Now you're arguing that we've deserved those spots all along, but it's cheap labor that keeps us out of jobs?

 

[Camile.Bidan]

Simply put, American companies should be forced to make due with what Americans offer. There are more than enough black and Hispanic engineers available for hire. The USA is not India and China. If companies want to take advantage of the US market, companies should have to hire blacks and Hispanics over Indians and Chinese.

Americans, including blacks and Hispanics, shouldn't have to compete nationally with a billion Indians and Chinese whom steal their jobs, lower salaries and are anti-black bigots besides. They aren't "good citizens" t either. Indians and Chinese are hostile to groups like blacks, for example. Your assertion that blacks and Hispanics should just accept poverty, unemployment and social ills at the hands of Asians because of "competition" is absurd. I and many others prefer that America should close its borders like Japan and just eliminate the Indian/Asian component altogether. That's a better option than your implied assertions that blacks and Hispanics should accept poverty, unemployment, racism and social ills to the benefit of Chinese, Hindis and the rest. fukk YOU!

I agree with Trump.

Kiss my ass. racist a$$hole.

Sadly, I actually agree with this, hence me never being able to put anybody on.

At my company we officially lower our standards hire blacks, and we still only higher a handful. I go to recruiting events at various colleges and I see maybe one to two black students in the entire auditorium or conference hall or whatever. however, I really try to get them to join our firm. Some do some don't..

But, I have never ever seen a black or Hispanic operate at an elite level in my profession. I want blacks and Latinos on my teams, but I don't have time or the patience or the budget to deal with some of these employees. we have maybe 4-5 black and Hispanic per class. In each class There 2-3 high performers who are snagged by the big-client teams. The rest are unfortunately stuck in performance improvement plans or rated poorly each year. Insulting echoes of " that's an affirmative action hire" can be heard throughout the office, which is unfortunate.



I have met elite and highly successful African American professionals in my field, but I had to travel 2000+ miles to meet them. they were all exceptional and all of them were either Caribbean or African immigrants.

I don't think companies should have to "make do" with Americans.

if you hate Asians then fine,then companies should recruit from Nigeria, Haiti, Brazil, Russia and other places that have good talent pools.

 

[godkiller]

Kiss my ass. racist a$$hole.

If I am racist, I am less racist than you, the one who spends the bulk of his time here trying to prove blacks have lower intelligence and whites/Asians are superior. America is built on the backs of Americans -- and it is these people the government is supposed to serve, not the Chinese and the Indians and the rest. American should work for its people, not racist foreigners!

At my company we officially lower our standards hire blacks, and we still only higher a handful. I go to recruiting events at various colleges and I see maybe one to two black students in the entire auditorium or conference hall or whatever. however, I really try to get them to join our firm. Some do some don't..

But, I have never ever seen a black or Hispanic operate at an elite level in my profession. I want blacks and Latinos on my teams, but I don't have time or the patience or the budget to deal with some of these employees. we have maybe 4-5 black and Hispanic per class. In each class There 2-3 high performers who are snagged by the big-client teams. The rest are unfortunately stuck in performance improvement plans or rated poorly each year. Insulting echoes of " that's an affirmative action hire" can be heard throughout the office, which is unfortunate.



I have met elite and highly successful African American professionals in my field, but I had to travel 2000+ miles to meet them. they were all exceptional and all of them were either Caribbean or African immigrants.

I don't think companies should have to "make do" with Americans.

if you hate Asians then fine,then companies should recruit from Nigeria, Haiti, Brazil, Russia and other places that have good talent pools.

I'm not going to bother responding to your stories, but like I say, if we have fewer Indians and Chinese like you, companies will be forced to dig deep and hire blacks and Hispanics. There are more than enough black and Hispanic degree holders to fill up positions if and when a racist like you isn't doing the hiring. America owes Asians and Indians nothing and should give them nothing, just like I as a black man won't get shyt from India or China!

 

[godkiller]

Even higher? Programmers are starting at 130-150 in the bay now. That's not high enough?

The actual salary for an experienced (presumably) programmer in the Bay is more like 107k, but that's in the Bay where programming is paramount. In other parts the salary is lower. Andt the end of the day, programmers would get even more without Asians and Indians and the rest of these people America keeps importing to harm Americans in the pot.
Programmer Salary in San Francisco Bay Area, CA | Indeed.com

 

[Camile.Bidan]

If I am racist, I am less racist than you, the one who spends the bulk of his time here trying to prove blacks have lower intelligence and whites/Asians are superior. America is built on the backs of Americans -- and it is these people the government is supposed to serve, not the Chinese and the Indians and the rest. American should work for its people, not racist foreigners!





I'm not going to bother responding to your stories, but like I say, if we have fewer Indians and Chinese like you, companies will be forced to dig deep and hire blacks and Hispanics. There are more than enough black and Hispanic degree holders to fill up positions if and when a racist like you isn't doing the hiring. America owes Asians and Indians nothing and should give them nothing, just like I as a black man won't get shyt from India or China!

First off, there was already a Chinese exclusion act and anti-Chinese laws back in late 1800s when the Chinese coolies built the pacific railroad. people wanted anti-Chinese laws to keep them out business ownership for the same xenophobic BS that you're talking about right now. As a country, America decided that the anti-Chinese laws were racist and got rid of them.

The Chinese have contributed to this country in more ways than one. America isn't just a story of black and white.


At the end of the day I have hired blacks and Hispanics. Most were poor decisions on my part, some were good. I don't think I have done anything to take away jobs black people. I want talented blacks in my teams, and I stand by my statement. But I mean talented. I am not going to settle for mediocre just have a diverse team.

 

[Camile.Bidan]

The actual salary for an experienced (presumably) programmer in the Bay is more like 107k, but that's in the Bay where programming is paramount. In other parts the salary is lower. Andt the end of the day, programmers would get even more without Asians and Indians and the rest of these people America keeps importing to harm Americans in the pot.
Programmer Salary in San Francisco Bay Area, CA | Indeed.com

Actually? I see payroll data before it gets aggregated or reported to the BLS or Indeed. that is not accurate.

107 is garbage money out here. I doubt any strong programmer would take such a low salary

 

[Camile.Bidan]

I hope there are Asians and Indians reading this thread.

There are a lot of Asian do-gooders out there who want "diversity" for
Diversity sake--who claim to "care" non-Asian minorities (NAMs)

I have always maintained that blacks and Hispanics hate us and are not our friends. This is has been my experience growing up places like Sactown and the Central Valley.

Read this thread and see the truth. Most Asian Americans spend too much time in the burbs and not enough in the hoods to actually make a fair assessment. I am hood raised. I know the truth.

 

[godkiller]

First off, there was already a Chinese exclusion act and anti-Chinese laws back in late 1800s when the Chinese coolies built the pacific railroad. people wanted anti-Chinese laws to keep them out business ownership for the same xenophobic BS that you're talking about right now. As a country, America decided that the anti-Chinese laws were racist and got rid of them.

The Chinese have contributed to this country in more ways than one. America isn't just a story of black and white.


At the end of the day I have hired blacks and Hispanics. Most were poor decisions on my part, some were good. I don't think I have done anything to take away jobs black people. I want talented blacks in my teams, and I stand by my statement. But I mean talented. I am not going to settle for mediocre just have a diverse team.

I am not only talking about Chinese and Indians so you can stop with the "you are targeting us" target. I am talking about all foreigners whom are not American in geneal. It just so happens that the bulk of which are Indian and Chinese, but the same goes for Europeans and Africans. We don't need them: they lower the wages; they add more competition for jobs; they're racist (blacks can't even work in these countries for example); and they do more harm than good.

As for your stories, I don't believe them. You have posted a plethora of egregious anti-black racial content on this website from avowed racists and white supremacist websites and blogs. You have professed to believe that blacks are inferior as well. I remember debating you on these topics.

I hope there are Asians and Indians reading this thread.

There are a lot of Asian do-gooders out there who want "diversity" for
Diversity sake--who claim to "care" non-Asian minorities (NAMs)

I have always maintained that blacks and Hispanics hate us and are not our friends. This is has been my experience growing up places like Sactown and the Central Valley.

Read this thread and see the truth. Most Asian Americans spend too much time in the burbs and not enough in the hoods to actually make a fair assessment. I am hood raised. I know the truth.

Coming from an avowed racist that posts articles from racist blogs about "subhuman NAMs (i.e. blacks and Hispanics), this is rich coming from you. Blacks and Hispanics are not racists; I just think they should act with their interests in mind. If most blacks and Hispanics thought like me, I wouldn't even have to say it. Instead I'm here having to educate on the fact Asians and Indians the like do us no good and in fact do harm us. I would add European immigrants and virtually ALL IMMIGRANTS don't help blacks a lick so it's not any indictment against Indians or Asians specifically. It's an indictment for what will help us get to wher we need to go.

America must privilege Americans already here. That is the government's mandate -- not to help Indians and Chinese and the like turn America into an even worse place for the rest of us. What has Silicon Valley, lower wages, more competition, etc done for blacks and Hispanics?

What have more Hispanics in Cali done for blacks? It's the same thing with illegal immigration. It's not racism, just facts. Asians don't hire blacks either. You know all this shyt and you're out here acting like black and Hispanics are racist when you know they aren't -- but u 100% are. Disingenuous, racist lying scum, you

 

[Jello Biafra]

In this thread, The Focus turned from H1-Bs to "look at how many Asians work at Facebook" with pictures of the employees.


I mean I called out Indians and smelling like rotting onions and armpits, which is trivial and people attacked me on this forum as a racist. Any Indian can put on deoderant and take shower. Problem solved, they are still good people and excellent well-behaved citizens.


Now, people In this thread advocate denying people from India and China opportunities to get ahead and denying firms access to a huge talent pool just because foreigners are jobs. It's xenophobia and bigotry

... It's the same foreigners who absolutely rape the United States in all academic competitions and rankings. And the US spends 100x more on education then any top 20 country in education. Give me a break.

We are all citizens of the earth. If Americans are being outcompeted, that's the Americans fault.

The Facebook racial demos were relevant just because it is a Trump vs Zuckerberg story and Mark Zuckerberg made a very public proclamation that he planned on increasing the amounts of blacks and hispanics working at Facebook yet did next to nothing in a year's time. And even after those stats were posted the main thrust of the discussion was about H1B visa workers and not US citizens of Asian descent.
And the idea that the tech industry is looking for non-US citizens to fill jobs ostensibly because it is a cheaper alternative is a valid issue worth discussing. You seem to be the only one derailing the thread from that topic.
Also your statements about Indians, blacks and Hispanics have been way more bigoted than anything anyone else has said in this thread.

 

[Cynic]

Facebook Employee Make-up:
55% White
36% Asian
4% Hispanic
2% Black
3% Two or More Races

Facebook Senior Leadership: 73% White

It's not as if black youth are actively pushed into tech/science/engineering subjects though

Unless they are African off course

Even then America is 70+% white so these figures are just fine


@Napoleon ya people are 36% ...so it's all love

 

[Apollo Creed]

People talking about "No Elite Blacks or Hispanics", do y'all not realize the conditions of the public schools most of these kids go to?

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

You all are in here politely conversing with and even agreeing with an Asian racist while you will shyt on a black poster who doesn't agree with your choice of IG model. The Coli.com y'all.