Trump attacks Mark Zuckerberg over H1-B visa program.

[gho3st]

Trump playing 6 Cert 6 STEM degrees fools like fiddles. Like he cares about the hiring of blacks and Mexicans in the tech field. It's just part of his anti-immigrant rhetoric.

his (republican) competition dont know what to do

You really think so many of them take up STEM related fields just to be low balled?

Alot of them are also in management and are the ones doing the hiring.
The most powerful Indian technologists in Silicon Valley

Diversity stats: 10 tech companies that have come clean ( Notice Asians are 2nd in every company ? )

and their percentage is only going to go UP, because they are pushing math/programming onto their kids at a early age. same reason I'm teaching my son now.

i get so many job offers from tech companies..offering to train me but i'd have to sign 2yr contracts with them. they know after those first 2 years, i'm most likely to leave for another job and they would get (relatively)cheap labor during said 2 years...All these companies are indian owned

 

[Camile.Bidan]

You seem to be conflating Asian Americans with foreign workers here on H1B work visas.

In this thread, The Focus turned from H1-Bs to "look at how many Asians work at Facebook" with pictures of the employees.


I mean I called out Indians and smelling like rotting onions and armpits, which is trivial and people attacked me on this forum as a racist. Any Indian can put on deoderant and take shower. Problem solved, they are still good people and excellent well-behaved citizens.


Now, people In this thread advocate denying people from India and China opportunities to get ahead and denying firms access to a huge talent pool just because foreigners are jobs. It's xenophobia and bigotry

... It's the same foreigners who absolutely rape the United States in all academic competitions and rankings. And the US spends 100x more on education then any top 20 country in education. Give me a break.

We are all citizens of the earth. If Americans are being outcompeted, that's the Americans fault.

 

[Data-Hawk]

In this thread, The Focus turned from H1-Bs to "look at how many Asians work at Facebook" with pictures of the employees.


I mean I called out Indians and smelling like rotting onions and armpits, which is trivial and people attacked me on this forum as a racist. Any Indian can put on deoderant and take shower. Problem solved, they are still good people and excellent well-behaved citizens.


Now, people In this thread advocate denying people from India and China opportunities to get ahead and denying firms access to a huge talent pool just because foreigners are jobs. It's xenophobia and bigotry

... It's the same foreigners who absolutely rape the United States in all academic competitions and rankings. And the US spends 100x more on education then any top 20 country in education. Give me a break.

We are all citizens of the earth. If Americans are being outcompeted, that's the Americans fault.

I was actually giving you guys a compliment , believe it or not. Posters on this website like to downplay the salary of Indians/Asians when it comes to programming/engineering. "They must be getting lowballed", "No way they are making as much as white people", that's that self defeatist stuff I don't like. They must rationalize it by saying "they are being ripped off", I guess to make themselves feel better. Even if they were being low balled in some situations, they are still bringing in $25-$30/hrs, I'm sure alot of my people would love to be making that an hour.

Average Programmer salary

"The BLS reports the median annual wage for computer programmers was $76,140 in 2013. The best-paid 10 percent in the field made approximately $123,490, while the bottom 10 percent made approximately $43,640. The highest-paid in the profession work in the metropolitan areas of Santa Fe, New Mexico; Bethesda, Maryland; and Seattle"

Computer Programmer Salary Information | Best Jobs | US News Careers

Sr. Software Engineer / Developer / Programmer Salary (United States)

Now if Indians/Asians make up a "good" chunk of programmers, how the hell are they being ripped off( The ones here in the U.S ) , not the outsourced ones.

I'm a programmer, my department starting salary is around $70K, We are a BIG company, 95% of the programmers here are Indian/Asian and they also make up a good amount of our DBA's. shyt we just hired another Indian last month, Starting at $80K( I was apart of his interview ). People need to wake the fukk up.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I was actually giving you guys a compliment , believe it or not. Posters on this website like to downplay the salary of Indians/Asians when it comes to programming/engineering. "They must be getting lowballed", "No way they are making as much as white people", that's that self defeatist stuff I don't like. They must rationalize it by saying "they are being ripped off", I guess to make themselves feel better. Even if they were being low balled in some situations, they are still bringing in $25-$30/hrs, I'm sure alot of my people would love to be making that an hour.

Average Programmer salary

"The BLS reports the median annual wage for computer programmers was $76,140 in 2013. The best-paid 10 percent in the field made approximately $123,490, while the bottom 10 percent made approximately $43,640. The highest-paid in the profession work in the metropolitan areas of Santa Fe, New Mexico; Bethesda, Maryland; and Seattle"

Computer Programmer Salary Information | Best Jobs | US News Careers

Sr. Software Engineer / Developer / Programmer Salary (United States)

Now if Indians/Asians make up a "good" chunk of programmers, how the hell are they being ripped off( The ones here in the U.S ) , not the outsourced ones.

I'm a programmer, my department starting salary is around $70K, We are a BIG company, 95% of the programmers here are Indian/Asian and they also make up a good amount of our DBA's. shyt we just hired another Indian last month, Starting at $80K( I was apart of his interview ). People need to wake the fukk up.

What city you in

 

[Data-Hawk]

What city you in

I'm in one of our satellite offices( Rockville , MD ), but our headquarters is in Bethesda,MD. Alot of the Indians/Asians here live in VA. Honestly I'm not even understanding how they have the game on lock. Actually I do, because my lead asked us do we know anybody we can recommend and they all go out and get there friends ( I can't even hate really ).

 

[Data-Hawk]

Xenophobia at its best all over this thread.

the valley has always been Asian dominated. The Bay Area has always been a home for Asians since the 1800s


Many of the professional Asian workers in the valley, if not most, are American citizens including myself.

50% of Berkeley is Asian along with all other colleges in the Northern California.

We work hard, get ahead in society, and now we are being attacked by blacks (as always), whites and all non-Asians.

H1-bs are here because they are smart and capable. They aren't getting low balled.

Finding qualified blacks and Hispanics is very hard. Much harder than you would think

Sadly, I actually agree with this, hence me never being able to put anybody on.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Sadly, I actually agree with this, hence me never being able to put anybody on.

Yea go to an HBCU and most don't have programs or kids are majoring mainly in stuff like communications. I don't knock Asians putting their people on as that is what you are supposed to do. The issue with IT world in general though is it isn't fluff so you cant even just put any ol body on as they could make you look bad if they are not thorough.

 

[godkiller]

Trump is right. This is the first time I agree with him.

 

[godkiller]

In this thread, The Focus turned from H1-Bs to "look at how many Asians work at Facebook" with pictures of the employees.


I mean I called out Indians and smelling like rotting onions and armpits, which is trivial and people attacked me on this forum as a racist. Any Indian can put on deoderant and take shower. Problem solved, they are still good people and excellent well-behaved citizens.


Now, people In this thread advocate denying people from India and China opportunities to get ahead and denying firms access to a huge talent pool just because foreigners are jobs. It's xenophobia and bigotry

... It's the same foreigners who absolutely rape the United States in all academic competitions and rankings. And the US spends 100x more on education then any top 20 country in education. Give me a break.

We are all citizens of the earth. If Americans are being outcompeted, that's the Americans fault.

Simply put, American companies should be forced to make due with what Americans offer. There are more than enough black and Hispanic engineers available for hire. The USA is not India and China. If companies want to take advantage of the US market, companies should have to hire blacks and Hispanics over Indians and Chinese.

Americans, including blacks and Hispanics, shouldn't have to compete nationally with a billion Indians and Chinese whom steal their jobs, lower salaries and are anti-black bigots besides. They aren't "good citizens" t either. Indians and Chinese are hostile to groups like blacks, for example. Your assertion that blacks and Hispanics should just accept poverty, unemployment and social ills at the hands of Asians because of "competition" is absurd. I and many others prefer that America should close its borders like Japan and just eliminate the Indian/Asian component altogether. That's a better option than your implied assertions that blacks and Hispanics should accept poverty, unemployment, racism and social ills to the benefit of Chinese, Hindis and the rest. fukk YOU!

I agree with Trump.

 

[Data-Hawk]

Yea go to an HBCU and most don't have programs or kids are majoring mainly in stuff like communications. I don't knock Asians putting their people on as that is what you are supposed to do. The issue with IT world in general though is it isn't fluff so you cant even just put any ol body on as they could make you look bad if they are not thorough.

not only that. I think alot are not aware of how much you can earn in this field. I remember when I was working in a warehouse(packing books) and I use to chat it up with the programmers there, it was a very small company so they only had about 3 of them. I remember going back to my co-workers and telling them I cannot wait to get into IT and they were like "Why, don't they make the same amount as us?". We were making $10/hr....

Forget that, I already started pushing Math and programming onto my son. If you want any younger kids to pick up programming( even if its just for fun ), I recommend this book:

Also, another reason why I am going so hard on this subject is because I see alot of people asking questions about programming or just IT in general. My co-workers are cool as hell( and boring ), but we need more black people in this field. If they just knew.

 

[godkiller]

I was actually giving you guys a compliment , believe it or not. Posters on this website like to downplay the salary of Indians/Asians when it comes to programming/engineering. "They must be getting lowballed", "No way they are making as much as white people", that's that self defeatist stuff I don't like. They must rationalize it by saying "they are being ripped off", I guess to make themselves feel better. Even if they were being low balled in some situations, they are still bringing in $25-$30/hrs, I'm sure alot of my people would love to be making that an hour.

Average Programmer salary

"The BLS reports the median annual wage for computer programmers was $76,140 in 2013. The best-paid 10 percent in the field made approximately $123,490, while the bottom 10 percent made approximately $43,640. The highest-paid in the profession work in the metropolitan areas of Santa Fe, New Mexico; Bethesda, Maryland; and Seattle"

Computer Programmer Salary Information | Best Jobs | US News Careers

Sr. Software Engineer / Developer / Programmer Salary (United States)

Now if Indians/Asians make up a "good" chunk of programmers, how the hell are they being ripped off( The ones here in the U.S ) , not the outsourced ones.

I'm a programmer, my department starting salary is around $70K, We are a BIG company, 95% of the programmers here are Indian/Asian and they also make up a good amount of our DBA's. shyt we just hired another Indian last month, Starting at $80K( I was apart of his interview ). People need to wake the fukk up.

Programmer salaries would be even higher if not for Asians and Indians HB-1s bringing the value down. Companies would then be FORCED to hire blacks and Hispanics. The issue now is that companies can hire a Chinese HB-1 PhD student for 10 dollars an hour, and say fukk it. That's the point. Moreover, the fact is that blacks and Hispanics can't and shouldn't have to compete with 2 billion fukking Asian and Indians for our groups. On numbers alone, blacks and Hispanics LOSE. These people aren't American origin and it's not America's responsibility to give them anything. It is, however, America's RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF ITS PEOPLE.

 

[godkiller]

not only that. I think alot are not aware of how much you can earn in this field. I remember when I was working in a warehouse(packing books) and I use to chat it up with the programmers there, it was a very small company so they only had about 3 of them. I remember going back to my co-workers and telling them I cannot wait to get into IT and they were like "Why, don't they make the same amount as us?". We were making $10/hr....

Forget that, I already started pushing Math and programming onto my son. If you want any younger kids to pick up programming( even if its just for fun ), I recommend this book:

Even if blacks studied and majored in math more, blacks simply don't have the sheer population or privilege to win jobs over Indians and Chinese in tech companies. There's no way blacks can compete with like 3 fukking billion Indians and Chinese, most of whom are bigots. So all this "I can teach my kid math" talk is moot. America has no obligation to provide Asians and Indians with anything. This country's government is run by people who do not have American's best interests in mind.

 

[godkiller]

I live a high tech area and I might as well be in phuccin India. Tech companies DO pay H1B visa hires less than their qualified US citizen counterparts. Indians are happy to get 30% less because it's still way more than they'd get back home. It's a modern day F.U. to US born STEM graduates who really only have an advantage for fed jobs requiring security clearances. I've also participated in the recruiting process for H1B visa holders. THEY ARE CHEAP LABOR compared US citizens. That's why companies want them. I don't understand how a US citizen can support this shyt. I'm hardly xenophobic, it's a numbers game. US companies have always wanted free/cheap labor.

Cheap/free labor HARMS American citizens, particularly minorities. It is ANTI-AMERICAN policy and needs to be stopped and repealed. fukk hiring foreigner. Hire Americans or else.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I've heard at some companies that if an Indian gets an interview there is high probability a non indian candidate won't get the job. Dont know how true that is, but this is what a cat I know that does HR was telling me.

 

[Data-Hawk]

Even if blacks studied and majored in math more, blacks simply don't have the sheer population or privilege to win jobs over Indians and Chinese in tech companies. There's no way blacks can compete with like 3 fukking billion Indians and Chinese, most of whom are bigots. So all this "I can teach my kid math" talk is moot. America has no obligation to provide Asians and Indians with anything. This country's government is run by people who do not have American's best interests in mind.

Breh, there are more of them working here with permanent positions than over in India. I work with 2 of the biggest companies that do the offshoring ( Value momentum and cognizant ). You guys are missing the game they are playing and solely focusing on the ones over seas. They are creating a back and forth connection, you know how we are always talking about how AA's should hook up with Africa?, well that's what they are doing with their home country. Creating a pipeline to funnel more of them into the industry. Not only that, the ones that are here are already telling their kids " You are going into either Engineering or Medicine, pick".

My point is, we need more of us in the industry to not only compete, but create some of the jobs ourselves. Hell think of another field/industry where you can create your own company with as little startup capital as programming/software? You would spend more money trying to open a nail store or barbershop vs a small software company( Essentially you only need a computer to start it ). I mean we just had a thread in TRL where a black 20 year old made $300 in 2 hours( Lets not factor in the time to develop the game because it's a strategic move to increase his user base ), we also had a thread in the Arcadium where a black developer raised $30K to fund his game.

Believe it or not, most of the programming positions are still here in America or in the UK. There are even reports of bringing some of the jobs back from India because of the shytty quality in turn costing more money to develop the software( and I can speak on this from personal experience ). And if we keep brushing off computer programming as a field where minorities are getting raped salary wise, it really will be to late. Because you better believe you have a higher chance of a white person hiring you for a programming position than a Indian/Asian. They truly stick to their own.

What other field creates as many jobs and quality paying jobs as fast as something related to math/programming/technology ? So yes we need more of us in there.