True Detective Season 1 (NO SPOILERS)

[HookersandIceCream]

Now my 2 cents.

No offense to anybody but it seems like 90% of the people that have problems with the finale, didn't understand the type of story they were being told. It's the same shyt with Rust. People misinterpreted the character. That should be blatantly obvious now, given the last scene.

And t's not on some "this story is so deep you don't get it!". More like, I tried to tell cats this was a Lovecraft story 50+ pages ago. I literally said "there will be little to no resolution" and "they will stop the lawnmower cat, but the cult will largely be unaffected by it".

Am I that smart?. No, I just knew what type of story was being told.

In these types of stories the universe is at best indifferent, at worst downright malicious to it's heroes. They aren't owed anything in these types of stories. Least of all resolution or victory.

As much as Pizzolatto name-dropped Liggoti and Lovecraft I'm shocked Marty and Rust are still alive. So the complaint of "well, they didn't resolve the larger cult issue" is

So yeah....I loved the finale. Would it have been if Maggie got real close and whispered "welcome to Carcosa" in Marty's ear in the hospital...of course....but there was no way in hell any kind of off the wall twist was going to happen, given the framework of the story in the last 2-3 episodes. And if you notice, that's when "oh, this show fell off" started. I see critics (and people in this thread) talking about "

Nothing makes me believe it, I'm tossing out ideas. It could happen.You can't say it's NOT going to happen, you have no idea. It wouldn't be a terrible ending, it would be in line with all the 19th century literature Pizzolatto is so fond of quoting. It's not as if I pulled this idea out of thin air. The "heroes" losing, getting killed, winding up in insane asylums are the bread and butter of Lovecraft.

Fred.

Except none of that happened and we ended with a very happy ending with all things said

 

[hex]

Except none of that happened and we ended with a very happy ending with all things said

And that's all I said on the topic, huh? No. I called them taking down the lawnmower guy, and the cult getting away. Go find that post.

Fred.

 

[HookersandIceCream]

And that's all I said on the topic, huh? No.

Fred.

Hell, now that I think about it, a more likely scenario is Marty pretending to be cool with Rust and helping the cops bring him down. He never liked him, and that was before whatever beef they had. I wouldn't be surprised if he inadvertently helps them frame Rust.

Fred.

You are speculating with about some wild twist other things and now you wanna change up your stance like oh I knew that was gonna happen. It was always meant to be a simple straight forward ending.

 

[jay211]

@ HEX you also said you thought Marty was setting up Rust and was going to take him down. Let's be serious all of us had out there theories which were wrong.

 

[hex]

You are speculating with about some wild twist other things and now you wanna change up your stance like oh I knew that was gonna happen. It was always meant to be a simple straight forward ending.

Son, are you retarded or something? I've already went over this. Read the posts in order. I said that....someone said "that's a crazy twist" and I said "I'm not saying that is gonna happen".

Go against the grain for attention, brehs.

Fred.

 

[hex]

Matter of fact, let's nip this stupid shyt in the bud directly:

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/true-detective-season-1-no-spoilers.179157/page-95#post-7567864

Now kindly

Fred.

 

[hex]

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/true-detective-season-1-no-spoilers.179157/page-93#post-7560995

etc etc etc.

Fred.

 

[jay211]

Matter of fact, let's nip this stupid shyt in the bud directly:

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/true-detective-season-1-no-spoilers.179157/page-95#post-7567864

Now kindly

Fred.

How come you aren't addressing how you thought Marty was setting up Rust and was going to take him down? My nikka you coming at people all righteous and forgetting you had some crazy theories too.

 

[K-Deini]

when rust is chasing after remus, were those words in carcosa all in his head or was remus actually saying them? only because wouldnt dude give up his position of hiding not allowing him to sneak up on rust if he were saying them? and if hes at the end of the maze how was his voice so clear and loud for rust to hear so well?

 

[Type Username Here]

I had a crazy thought. What if that crippled former pitcher is the killer? He could be faking his handicap. I thought it was kinda odd when Hart asked her about his condition she didn't seem to know specifically what was wrong with him. "He had a bunch of strokes" is pretty vague.

Fred.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I read somewhere that it would've been a bigger 'click' if the green were his lawnmowing earmuffs. I agree. It's easy to fix.

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Your second quote leads to a theory i havent seen a lot of critics pick up on. This is long as shyt.

Both Rust and Cohle are searching for an answer to life, but at opposite ends of the spectrum. Rust searches to prove it is meaningless, a mess of lurid desire and ignorance--that there isn't more to life than one breath, there is just no more. Marty searches to prove it is ripe with meaning, holding on to his ideals of family and justice--it's an ignorance to him not to believe in purpose.. The ironies are in their approaches. Rust plays god with witnesses, promising salvation and hope with acceptance to coerce a confession in him, becoming their devil at the same time and displaying the good-evil religious dichotomy within his actions. He silently condemns Marty for fukking around, that three-pump chumps his wife like shes a pocket p*ssy?

Meanwhile, Martys life and work proves his ideals are just that--unattainable and impossible. He justifies fukking around to save his marriage and children, in the process destroying it. He tries to be the best cop, but he can never live up to Cohle's natural skill as Rust breaks witnesses, hints and an undercover beat right in Marty's face. Both frustrations boil over (holding onto his children, Cohle leading him to ledoux) when he blasts the flat circle fakkit. Even after getting the resurrection he desperately yearns for (ironically his angel is Cole, who concocts the story and covers tracks to save him), Marty can't stay true to his lofty ideals and fukks his family over even worse. DAT GINGER CAC HOOKER DOE

They work well together because their mutual searches pinpoint on dora lange's murder. They search so hard for the truth they both begin to visualize their obsession, Cohle's being more visceral while Marty's is more spooky and dreamlike in my opinion (Daughter's dolls, dad-in-law mentioning sex, her drawings, his possession of DADDARIO'S TITTYMEATS)

Solving the murder lets Cohle find peace that he staved off life's natural demons and failures, while Marty becomes the hero and father figure he always believed he should be. But even though they present themselves as heroic and try to believe the case is over, their self-doubts in the case and their own personal paradigms are only festering underneath their facade (maybe Cohle is Right, Marty? maybe Hart is right, Rust?) until 2002.

Thats when this shyt gets thrown in their face. Cohle's latest saved apostle puts the Yellow King in his face. Marty's own daughter is becoming the two-dikkinwhore that he looked down upon as a victim, hell, he even begins fukking the lamb (red hooker) he tried to save from slaughter. They are realizing its all bullshyt, maybe even the case. The fight isn't about the adultery--its about that flatty titty wife crushing marty's last hope of idealism while rescuing cohle with a glimmer of hope only to renew his lost faith in people in a deeper recess.

2012, they've both given up hope for salvation. the fact that the cops are now actively turning them against each other adds clarity. The wife, once the divider, provides an olive branch as well. They realize their last salvation now is not separate, and they both have to be right in their life theories if they are to reach this salvation. Marty becomes the intuitive Rust. Cohle becomes the gungho Hart. They realize that they did bring out the best in each other.

The rest just shows now they have an understanding of each other. Hart gives up on catching them all, while Cohle sees the light just might be winning. The True Detective, they find, means staying true to one's self, and true to their own beliefs, while accepting all other scenarios as probable.

Really really solid post. Funny, too. A+

 

[TheDarceKnight]

when rust is chasing after remus, were those words in carcosa all in his head or was remus actually saying them? only because wouldnt dude give up his position of hiding not allowing him to sneak up on rust if he were saying them? and if hes at the end of the maze how was his voice so clear and loud for rust to hear so well?

I think Errol was really saying all that stuff. You gotta figure he knows those caves better than anyone, and it adds to the maze-like quality if Rust just hears the voice all around him. Is it entirely realistic? No. But I think that's the case because all of Rust's hallucinations that we've been shown have been visual, and it seems like Errol (sp?) was saying shyt that only he would know, like who was acolytes and what not.

 

[Adam3000]

when rust is chasing after remus, were those words in carcosa all in his head or was remus actually saying them? only because wouldnt dude give up his position of hiding not allowing him to sneak up on rust if he were saying them? and if hes at the end of the maze how was his voice so clear and loud for rust to hear so well?

Some people will say it was in Rust's head (with no evidence to back that up), but truthfully I cant even be mad at that so there is no need to defend it. In the end, this is still just a TV show and can take a couple liberties for the sake of increasing tension. Not a big deal. The green paint thing was really the only "cmon now wtf is that" moment in my opinion

 

[Box Cutta]

Doing a television series like this might be looked at by actors as the "new" going Broadway,especially after all of the accolades MM and WH will/have gotten for this series.Television isn't looked down as a career killer any more.Stars such as Denzel,James Franco, Bradley Cooper are doing stage work currently.It's not far fetched for an actor of that caliber to decide they rather do a series like this rather than do a revival of "Death of a Salesman" or some shyt.

Maybe, the tide may be turning, but I still would expect that the casting is going to come from respected, yet slightly obscure, television stars.

Theater is a completely different ballgame. I think that's more about the live audience, experience of being a "real actor", authenticity, etc.

It's funny you mention Franco...he's definitely be all over this....this dude had a run on Soaps.... He's one of the people that doesn't seem to give a fukk, just havin' fun out'chea....

Could you elaborate a bit on this? I'd like to know more about the purpose of this visual technique.

I don't think there's much too it really. Repetition is a part of nearly every art medium.

It's just showing that his daughter is aware of the evils of the world as he is. He lives it through his job. For her it manifest as dolls and pictures but it's still there.

 

[Adam3000]

Damn, they goin at Fred hard right now. Gotta be careful in these Coli streets