True Detective Season 1 (NO SPOILERS)

[GoldenGlove]

I think Marty thought about the green paint, and then wondered if maybe the killer had gotten paint on his ears from painting the house. That's how I heard it, anyways.

Yeah... that's not going to cut it for me. I really enjoyed the show, but that part just isn't clicking for me.

I wonder if next season will play off this one.
I can kinda see the two black detectives working this and going after the cult some more

I was thinking the same thing, but I'm thinking maybe not next season. I could see something where they come back around years later or something, idk. I really don't want to see the next season back in the boondocks of LA though.

Nikka, I going to add to your question, and ask why Rust has a photo of the house in recent times. Nobody is that meticulous, going around taking photos of random houses, unless that house in the next door neighbor of Dora Lane or something.

I'm sure it can be explained, I'm actually surprised nobody's dropped more knowledge about that for us yet in this thread...

 

[Type Username Here]

'Impressive more than likeable' is the phrase that comes to mind after reading your post. This part of the show makes for great study, but less interesting watch.

Now...lets not get it twisted, it was a great watch from start to finish. But to elevate the reality of the last three episodes by explaining that we shouldnt have expected more has a pseudo-intellectual vibe that needs to be toned down.

I mean, what you are essentially saying is "you expected a better ending but you shouldnt have expected that so its OK"

Thats cool that so many people liked the end, but I stand by my statement that the last 3 episodes brought the series down by morphing into a standard detective drama. That doesnt mean standard "quality," it means standard storytelling techniques and a conventional plot.

Furthermore, I keep seeing all this shyt about some sort of "twist" we were expecting but that is a complete Straw Man argument. When we talk about resolution or a better ending, nowhere does that indicate a twist is necessary. It seems to me to be a passive aggressive way to call people stupid by lumping them into the M. Night crowd of viewers.

Truth be told, I am very happy that the story ended conventionally, I just dont think it ended well. I was unconvinced that Rust was in any way accepting of solving the Spaghetti Monster case but not getting any further into it. The scene outside the hospital was touching and powerful but it didnt line up with what we had seen for the previous 20 years in my eyes.

I think some people just dont want to see any criticism of a show they have come to love and be invested in, and I get it. But a lot of the complainers (like myself) still loved the show and would stick it on their top 5 currently running shows just off the strength of the first 5 episodes.

I agree with you though I loved the final episode.

Falling back under "that's what the writer intended" doesn't shield it from criticism or at least it shouldn't. The audience makes judgment mainly based on what was presented to them during the episode.

If the case of " writer can do no wrong mentality" was some absolute fact, you could never really criticize anything.

 

[Czerka]

i dont think it was implied that rust was content with stopping at the spaghetti monster. he's probably going to go right back to working on the cult shyt when he gets healthy, we just won't get to see it. it was just a recognition on his part that they made a little progress and the world isn't as hopeless as he used to think

 

[GoldenGlove]

i dont think it was implied that rust was content with stopping at the spaghetti monster. he's probably going to go right back to working on the cult shyt when he gets healthy, we just won't get to see it. it was just a recognition on his part that they made a little progress and the world isn't as hopeless as he used to think

Rust sounded suicidal in that last scene breh, he could go and off himself for all we know.

 

[hex]

'Impressive more than likeable' is the phrase that comes to mind after reading your post. This part of the show makes for great study, but less interesting watch.

Now...lets not get it twisted, it was a great watch from start to finish. But to elevate the reality of the last three episodes by explaining that we shouldnt have expected more has a pseudo-intellectual vibe that needs to be toned down.

I mean, what you are essentially saying is "you expected a better ending but you shouldnt have expected that so its OK"

Thats cool that so many people liked the end, but I stand by my statement that the last 3 episodes brought the series down by morphing into a standard detective drama. That doesnt mean standard "quality," it means standard storytelling techniques and a conventional plot.

Furthermore, I keep seeing all this shyt about some sort of "twist" we were expecting but that is a complete Straw Man argument. When we talk about resolution or a better ending, nowhere does that indicate a twist is necessary. It seems to me to be a passive agressive way to call people stupid by lumping them into the M. Night crowd of viewers.

Truth be told, I am very happy that the story ended conventionally, I just dont think it ended well. I was unconvinced that Rust was in any way accepting of solving the Spaghetti Monster case but not getting any further into it. The scene outside the hospital was touching and powerful but it didnt line up with what we had seen for the previous 20 years in my eyes.

I think some people just dont want to see any criticism of a show they have come to love and be invested in, and I get it. But a lot of the complainers (like myself) still loved the show and would stick it on their top 5 currently running shows just off the strength of the first 5 episodes.

I'm not going off "is this interesting to watch"? Or even "good". Or "a better ending". Those are subject to opinion.

I'm going off, they sold you exactly the kind of story they told. From day 1. Like I said, I told cats 50+ pages ago "the types of stories that Pizzolatto is name-dropping, don't have clear cut resolution". I wasn't psychic. I didn't read spoilers. I don't know the dude. It was blatantly obvious how it would end, to anyone with a even passing knowledge of Lovecraft.

And you're talking about 2 different things. Nowhere in my post did I say "they want resolution aka a twist". This type of story having no resolution has nothing to do with it not needing a twist. It's also totally unrelated to the quality of the show.

Which brings me to my next point. No offense, but you're late as fukk to the thread, so of course my comments about "people want a twist" seem random. They aren't. A lot of people came up with crazy ass theories about a "twist" that would supposedly happen. And then an ep aired....and another....and it became obvious none of that shyt was gonna occur. So yes, some people are letting that color their perception of the show....just like some people painted Rust as an emotionless Philosopher Bot 3000 and then turned on him, the writer, and the show itself when they found out he's just another guy.

Again, I'm telling you what happened. This isn't oh, I love this show, let me for it. I've had my share of complaints about it, if you read my earlier posts.

I dunno what you cats wanted....a line or two saying "we're not done yet"? I'm not being facetious....I seriously don't know what more resolution people wanted in the context of the story. This shyt would turn into "Dexter" if there was any indication Rust and Marty were gonna go after the rest of the cult.

Fred.

 

[hex]

Now, the paint shyt @GoldenGlove is talking about....that I get. That's some shyt. It's not a deal breaker or anything, if they were trying to retrace their steps in '95, '02, or '12, it stands to reason they'd have multiple pictures of the same areas. Just like Rust went back to the abandoned school in '02, or went back to talk to Joel Theriot. It's not like retracing their steps or pouring over old info was just introduced in the finale though. The leap to the green ears that's a stretch.

Fred.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Rust sounded suicidal in that last scene breh, he could go and off himself for all we know.

I thought he came full circle (themes of circles all season) from pessimism to optimism. His last line spoke volumes. Marty said that that the darkness in the sky had most of the territory. Rust said that Marty was looking at it all wrong, and that it used to be all darkness (nothingness before the big bang) but that the light is winning and gaining traction.

Rust's experience in almost dying caused him to feel the energy of his dead loved ones, and even though he was ready to let go and embrace the darkness, I think Rust may see a glimmer of hope for the first time in a long time, and I think he will try to find some meaning in this life.

That may be wrong, but on Pizzolatto echoed similar statements, as have some others here. I think Rust's character arc was completed in death (literal in the near death experience and figurative in feeling the warmth of a possible afterlife). Then Rust was "reborn" so to speak, no longer believing there is nothing to this world, with nothing to live for.

 

[Tetris v2.0]

The green house revelation was kinda far out, but I took that as Marty finally thinking outside the box and tuning into the symbolism. Rust had been postulating theories like that the whole time and Marty constantly brushed them off. They werent going to ever solve the case using conventional means. Out of nowhere, Marty wakes up and puts the final piece in the puzzle. Rust's reaction to him was priceless

 

[pickles]

Truth be told, I am very happy that the story ended conventionally, I just dont think it ended well. I was unconvinced that Rust was in any way accepting of solving the Spaghetti Monster case but not getting any further into it. The scene outside the hospital was touching and powerful but it didnt line up with what we had seen for the previous 20 years in my eyes.

I completely disagree with this, for the past 20 years, Rust was a complete shell of a man after his daughter died, completely numbing himself with alcohol and drugs, being all moody and not believing in God, spouting out all these philosophies to explain the world around him. Being progressively becoming more and more depressed. He was taking his pulse, to make sure he actually feels something.When he had his near death moment, he suddenly "changed", he had a profound moment, he realized that death is inevitable, he became "alive" in a sense. He actually "felt something". I know people will debate the whole "near death" experience is real or not, but I am talking about what he went through.

Rust sounded suicidal in that last scene breh, he could go and off himself for all we know.

The fukk, the last quote he said was "if you ask me, light's winning", it actually sounds like he is optimistic for once.

 

[hex]

I thought he came full circle (themes of circles all season) from pessimism to optimism. His last line spoke volumes. Marty said that that the darkness in the sky had most of the territory. Rust said that Marty was looking at it all wrong, and that it used to be all darkness (nothingness before the big bang) but that the light is winning and gaining traction.

Rust's experience in almost dying caused him to feel the energy of his dead loved ones, and even though he was ready to let go and embrace the darkness, I think Rust may see a glimmer of hope for the first time in a long time, and I think he will try to find some meaning in this life.

That may be wrong, but on Pizzolatto echoed similar statements, as have some others here. I think Rust's character arc was completed in death (literal in the near death experience and figurative in feeling the warmth of a possible afterlife). Then Rust was "reborn" so to speak, no longer believing there is nothing to this world, with nothing to live for.

This is exactly correct. The name of the ep was "Form And Void" it's from Genesis 1:2

The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness.

Fred.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I completely disagree with this, for the past 20 years, Rust was a complete shell of a man after his daughter died, completely numbing himself with alcohol and drugs, being all moody and not believing in God, spouting out all these philosophies to explain the world around him. Being progressively becoming more and more depressed. He was taking his pulse, to make sure he actually feels something.When he had his near death moment, he suddenly "changed", he had a profound moment, he realized that death is inevitable, he became "alive" in a sense. He actually "felt something". I know people will debate the whole "near death" experience is real or not, but I am talking about what he went through.



The fukk, the last quote he said was "if you ask me, light's winning", it actually sounds like he is optimistic for once.

Absolutely man. He is optimistic for the first time in years.

To quote Pizzolatto, the writer/creator: "And I believe what Rust articulates there, is actually extraordinarily optimistic, and not based in sentiment. It's based in physics. Optimism is no more necessarily an illusion than pessimism. And that's what Rust is admitting in the end, in the only way that he knows how."

 

[Adam3000]

I completely disagree with this, for the past 20 years, Rust was a complete shell of a man after his daughter died, completely numbing himself with alcohol and drugs, being all moody and not believing in God, spouting out all these philosophies to explain the world around him. Being progressively becoming more and more depressed. He was taking his pulse, to make sure he actually feels something.When he had his near death moment, he suddenly "changed", he had a profound moment, he realized that death is inevitable, he became "alive" in a sense. He actually "felt something". I know people will debate the whole "near death" experience is real or not, but I am talking about what he went through.



The fukk, the last quote he said was "if you ask me, light's winning", it actually sounds like he is optimistic for once.

I feel you on that whole near-death aspect and I might be wrong there In my criticism....but even if I withdraw that criticism I still wouldnt care for the ending. Dont even feel like talking about it any more though, already got too many negative posts in here and it is exaggerating my real life mild negativity. Its like a classic album with a few filler songs. Dont want to dwell on the cons, wanna enjoy the pros

 

[pickles]

Ok thinking back, my theory on the spaghetti man picture, this is what a child is interpreting, so of course they can't articulate yet exactly what the man looks like. They are going to take pieces of what they saw, so maybe the green is actually an association with the fact they saw the man painting the house, because it is such a specific shade of green.

 

[PacMan Jones]

Yeah... that's not going to cut it for me. I really enjoyed the show, but that part just isn't clicking for me.

I'm sure it can be explained, I'm actually surprised nobody's dropped more knowledge about that for us yet in this thread...

I read somewhere that it would've been a bigger 'click' if the green were his lawnmowing earmuffs. I agree. It's easy to fix.

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Your second quote leads to a theory i havent seen a lot of critics pick up on. This is long as shyt.

Both Rust and Cohle are searching for an answer to life, but at opposite ends of the spectrum. Rust searches to prove it is meaningless, a mess of lurid desire and ignorance--that there isn't more to life than one breath, there is just no more. Marty searches to prove it is ripe with meaning, holding on to his ideals of family and justice--it's an ignorance to him not to believe in purpose.. The ironies are in their approaches. Rust plays god with witnesses, promising salvation and hope with acceptance to coerce a confession in him, becoming their devil at the same time and displaying the good-evil religious dichotomy within his actions. He silently condemns Marty for fukking around, that three-pump chumps his wife like shes a pocket p*ssy?

Meanwhile, Martys life and work proves his ideals are just that--unattainable and impossible. He justifies fukking around to save his marriage and children, in the process destroying it. He tries to be the best cop, but he can never live up to Cohle's natural skill as Rust breaks witnesses, hints and an undercover beat right in Marty's face. Both frustrations boil over (holding onto his children, Cohle leading him to ledoux) when he blasts the flat circle fakkit. Even after getting the resurrection he desperately yearns for (ironically his angel is Cole, who concocts the story and covers tracks to save him), Marty can't stay true to his lofty ideals and fukks his family over even worse. DAT GINGER CAC HOOKER DOE

They work well together because their mutual searches pinpoint on dora lange's murder. They search so hard for the truth they both begin to visualize their obsession, Cohle's being more visceral while Marty's is more spooky and dreamlike in my opinion (Daughter's dolls, dad-in-law mentioning sex, her drawings, his possession of DADDARIO'S TITTYMEATS)

Solving the murder lets Cohle find peace that he staved off life's natural demons and failures, while Marty becomes the hero and father figure he always believed he should be. But even though they present themselves as heroic and try to believe the case is over, their self-doubts in the case and their own personal paradigms are only festering underneath their facade (maybe Cohle is Right, Marty? maybe Hart is right, Rust?) until 2002.

Thats when this shyt gets thrown in their face. Cohle's latest saved apostle puts the Yellow King in his face. Marty's own daughter is becoming the two-dikkinwhore that he looked down upon as a victim, hell, he even begins fukking the lamb (red hooker) he tried to save from slaughter. They are realizing its all bullshyt, maybe even the case. The fight isn't about the adultery--its about that flatty titty wife crushing marty's last hope of idealism while rescuing cohle with a glimmer of hope only to renew his lost faith in people in a deeper recess.

2012, they've both given up hope for salvation. the fact that the cops are now actively turning them against each other adds clarity. The wife, once the divider, provides an olive branch as well. They realize their last salvation now is not separate, and they both have to be right in their life theories if they are to reach this salvation. Marty becomes the intuitive Rust. Cohle becomes the gungho Hart. They realize that they did bring out the best in each other.

The rest just shows now they have an understanding of each other. Hart gives up on catching them all, while Cohle sees the light just might be winning. The True Detective, they find, means staying true to one's self, and true to their own beliefs, while accepting all other scenarios as probable.

 

[Statik]

Beautiful written season.

I cant wait for what Nic comes up with nxt season.

pure inspiration.