True Detective Season 1 (NO SPOILERS)

[Oville]

What do you esteemed detectives think abut this tweet from nic (creator/writer)? He links an article.



What do you think about what the article says and Nic's endorsing(?) of it?

A summary of what the article goes into detail on:

I'd be disappointed if this is the case. My first impression of the show is that while the acting was good, and I enjoy conversations about existentialism, quantam physics, and spirituality and what not, i didn't see how it fit in with the overall story. I was more intrigued by the murder investigation than I was about the characters. The character stories are good but the symbolism and mystery involved in the investigation is what draws me to the show.

 

[GoldenGlove]

"We're not teenagers anymore, Marty"

"I haven't been fukked like that in years."

Which is it Maggie?! Which. Is. It?

She said that to ether him breh. Rust only hit that for like 2 minutes, she was trolling Marty to make him furious.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

You do what for a living?

Don't take this personally but you aren't doing anything special here. I see Rust fanboys all across the 'net throwing the exact same fit you are. "Bu bu but....Rust wasn't supposed to do that".

Whatever you do for a living the people behind this show do it better, and with more success. Think you understand a character better than the man that is writing him, brehs.

How old are you? You need to step into modern times. You named:



The most recent character on that list is John McClane. He's from 1988. Captain Hook? 1904. King Lear? 1606

It's 2014. 2014!

Over the last 15 years or so we've been giving a wide range of characters that are amorphous. They aren't easily defined. They're contradictory. Sometimes they're hypocrites.

Tony Soprano. Walter White. Avon Barksdale. etc.

These are people that could callously order a murder and directly after that give $15,000 to help neighborhood kids. The same kids they could potentially hire to commit the murders.

We're in the Golden Age of TV. It's the visual novel. There's no need to sum up a character in a few lines of tidy dialogue in Chapter 1 anymore. Characters can be as messy and as human as real humans. Meanwhile people like you are stuck in the past talking about Achilles.

Lastly, instead of trying to over think everything you need to pay attention. Rust told you he was a hypocrite prone to contradicting himself in the very first episode:



Rust talks a good game but in the end he's human. He's not some Nietzschean Superman, he is weak. If he acted solely by his defining characteristics there wouldn't be a show because he would've committed suicide before we ever seen him. It's funny how you're willing to overlook that because it makes the character seem "edgy" and "cool" but throw a fit because he got his dikk wet.

So no, normally Rust wouldn't fukk Marty's wife. But in the end he's a man, and he couldn't deny his programming.

Fred.

thank you for posting that quote from the first episode. I rewatched the first episode and picked up on that too (about his "programming") and how he lacks the fortitude to commit suicide

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

Her fukking Rust had nothing to do with attraction or sexual tension.

She picked the one guy that would hurt Marty the worst, she says that.

Fred said the same thing. I still think she wanted the D regardless. "17 years is a long time!" But I also get she wanted to hurt Marty in the worst way possible. Rust is principled and has integrity in addition he knew exactly who he was and what he wanted in life. I think she was attracted to that.

 

[GoldenGlove]

I think people are also ignoring the fact that Rust felt like Marty played him in front of the captain and then he tried to shyt on him for not getting p*ssy right before all of this happened. I'm sure he thought about that before he went ahead and gave into Maggie. It was slightly surprising to me, but plenty of people were calling this when the series started right? Just tip your hat to the writers that it wasn't super obvious with how it played out.

I find it more interesting that Maggie didn't reveal anything in the interviews about what Rust was up to when she came through that night. Seems like they all have a level of trust for one another and know how to play the game.

 

[Bud Bundy]

It is a testament to a writer that most posters in here completely separate the decisions of the creator and act like these characters acted on there own free will. Very amusing.

Any lesser show and people would have said this makes no sense.

If Nic does not at least get nominated for some awards.

 

[Microfracture]

She said that to ether him breh. Rust only hit that for like 2 minutes, she was trolling Marty to make him furious.

She was 200% positive that sh1t would work on Dikk Swagger

Rust hadn't even exited the box and he was disgusted with himself and Maggie

 

[Randy Marsh]

So.... where are the gifs of Maggie's fat ol' ass?

 

[Tuling]

only 120 minutes of true detective season 1 left

 

[USSInsiders]

Her fukking Rust had nothing to do with attraction or sexual tension.

She picked the one guy that would hurt Marty the worst, she says that.

We gonna pretend to ignore the time he mowed the lawn in that tank top and McCoughangay's (sic) n/h fine ass wasn't looking all cut-up and handsome in a Paul Newman type way? Young Rust is a dime n/h if he wasn't so antisocial and pretentious all the time he would be getting dimes left and right.

 

[USSInsiders]

No. I'm not saying that. You're conflating what I'm saying, trust me. I am saying that by nature humans are incredibly complex entities, and we all accept that either consciously or unconsciously. Characters are not human. They're exactly that, "characters" -- with certain defining qualities that you can add to or abstract from, but they are discernible. Nobody is shocked when Marty kills Ledoux or beats up teenage kids, or sleeps with an ex child hooker. He's a hothead and impulsive, so all that stuff is in line with his "character." If characters were real people (i.e. non-definable), how could you ever have a legitimate story about anything? Everything would be amorphous and dialectic -- essentially melding into nothingness. Rust isn't a man, other than some archetypal inference. He's a character. Nic built him up to be Nietzche's proverbial Superman, and tonight he made him weak. He made him what Aristotle would call the incontinent man. That's my problem with the writing.

I'm not over thinking it. I kinda do this for a living and I'm a bad boy at what I do. But, like I said, some will feel me, some wont.

Ok, so make another show

 

[Fillerguy]

Myopic post; the best and most storied characters in any medium, whether it's Achilles, King Lear, Captain Ahab, Moses, John McClane, Captain Hook, ANYONE, have definitive qualities that make them, "them." The story arch requires it so. Why make Rust, this overly misanthropic dude with an acute aversion to any stimuli (this is a man that checks his pulse regularly to ensure that he isn't) for nearly the entirety of the show, get caught up on some R.Kelly Downlow shyt? Rust has done plenty of unconventional things, but he had a certain ethos. He did those things that that were wrong for a greater good in some utilitarian vein, so he was still someone of esteemed repute. What happened tonight was akin to Moses coming down from Mount Sinai with the 10 commandments, and seeing his people worship Baal, and joining them. Lol. I say this as an agnostic. And somehow, I'm crazy for thinking that's poor writing?

Talk literary devices on the coli, brehs.

Besides that, not only did Rust sleep with dude's wife, he was indignant about it. . Most men would've shot dude in "real" life.

I get what you're saying. If we look at Rust's philosophy of life and overall demeanor, he acted 100% out of character. Take a step back, for a misanthrope its kind of weird how Rust chose a "heroic" career to purse. He even chose to work in a department some would call the most important and most praised, homicide. Rust routinely puts his life on the line to save other walking sacks of meat. He continues pursing a killer(s) even after it costs everything, a decade later. Rust dont love these hoes yet he cuffed two, married one.

Maybe Rust is frontin. It sounds like Rust puts all a wall around himself so he doesnt get hurt by the world. All that (Humanity is a vain collection of meat) talk makes all kind of sense but maybe Rust doesnt want it to be true. It sounds like Rust puts all a wall around himself so he doesnt get hurt by the world.
When Rust smashed Marty's wife, he was one of at the lowest points in his life. Then some milf walks in whispering sweet nothings and kissing his neck. Rust opened up and got shytted on after that hoe told him she didnt give a fukk about him.

 

[Jmare007]

So people still think Rust and Marty were working together the whole time?

Fred.

People still thinking Marty is gonna work with the new detectives and try to catch Rust?

 

[GoldenGlove]

Seems like all indications point to Rust killing Rev. Tuttle, (by overdose) and the new detectives trying to pin the "Yellow King" murders on him as well...

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Why the fukk is this show so good??????