Trent Dilfer Ethers RG3 with that Venom that make a nicca die slow....

[NYC Rebel]

dogg, Trent Dilfer never said "RG3 is not capable of being productive from the pocket" he said "RG3 wasn't productive from the pocket TODAY and it hurt his team"... why would any stats or performance outside of THIS GAME matter in that assessment? You're acting like he's been shytting on RG3 all season or something and just used today to pile on. He prefaced his statement by saying he thinks RG3 is an amazing talent and he's his biggest fan. This was a one game criticism, not some indictment of RG3's limitations as a player when healthy.

It doesn't matter that he was hurt or if him being hurt was the reason he was inaccurate (it was likely the reason)... what he (and I) are saying is that RG3 isn't the first QB to play while banged up- he reeled off names like Big Ben, etc., so he needs to learn to do so while also giving his team the best chance to win, which he didn't today.


Again, what's wrong with saying that?

The whole "acting like" thing. Nah dog...I don't "act like" anything. I speak to my point which you can openly quote and refer to.

Second, I don't care about "nicked up" or what have you. Trent dressing it up as learning to become a "traditional" pocket passer and downplaying the nature of the injury because one can say "other qbs played with injuries TOO" is pretty simple minded. It was clear as day that it had nothing to do with reading progressions (RGIIIs decision making honesty wasn't the problem considering he was making the right reads). Dudes plant leg led to him making obviously inaccurate throws he doesn't have a history of making in his brief career.

Dilfer just couldn't wait to say what he said.

 

[PortCityProphet]

if pointing out stupidity in "analysis" is caping for RG3 then sign me up for the justice league

 

[mastermind]

on 2nd thought, y'all are right lmao... Dilfer shyt on him, but I actually agree with what he's saying and have been saying so all season, along with a lot of other posters on here

I don't think RG3 is capable of being a pocket passer at a high level (not that he would ever need to unless something like this happened to negate his speed)... that elementary offense is based on his ability to run with the football; simplistic ass offense looked like shyt once that threat was gone and the "say hike, step back, and make one read" plays weren't working nearly as well as they were pre-injury

it took a game when dude was playing on one leg, the leg he uses to push through so he can gather power in his throws, for you to now be "right?"


You doofuses arent even trying anymore. RG3 is injured, "yup, you see he has no pocket presence and cant throw the ball well enough. See, I was right all along."


Dilfer's comments felt like he was waiting all year to say that.

 

[GoFlipAPack]

Trent has superbowl ring

He had one of the greatest defenses ever to thank for that.

 

[HacksawJimThuggin]

it took a game when dude was playing on one leg, the leg he uses to push through so he can gather power in his throws, for you to now be "right?"


You doofuses arent even trying anymore. RG3 is injured, "yup, you see he has no pocket presence and cant throw the ball well enough. See, I was right all along."


Dilfer's comments felt like he was waiting all year to say that.

see, that might be a valid point, except that the throws that Dilfer critiqued:

1) the interception where RG3 threw into double coverage while someone underneath was wide open

2) him over throwing Moss on the deep out

3) that 3rd down where RG3 threw it to no receiver in particular when someone was wide open underneath running a crossing route



none of those had to do with your plant leg being injured because they were all either poor decisions, overthrows, or so wildly inaccurate that even a good plant leg wouldn't have helped



the only reason I somewhat disagree with what Dilfer said is because this is how RG3 plays... the whole offense is predicated on him being a running threat and it's been like that since college; dude has never shown to be capable to sit in the pocket and run an Air Coryell-type of passing attack, so why ask him to do that now? but he did have a point in saying that RG3 (and to a lesser extent, Mike Shanahan) is going to have to adjust his game because he WILL be injured often; and if him being less of a running threat is going to diminish his productivity that much, then he has to adjust, because this won't be the only time he's out there with a hurt leg

 

[NYC Rebel]

see, that might be a valid point, except that the throws that Dilfer critiqued:

1) the interception where RG3 threw into double coverage while someone underneath was wide open

2) him over throwing Moss on the deep out

3) that 3rd down where RG3 threw it to no receiver in particular when someone was wide open underneath running a crossing route



none of those had to do with your plant leg being injured because they were all either poor decisions, overthrows, or so wildly inaccurate that even a good plant leg wouldn't have helped



the only reason I somewhat disagree with what Dilfer said is because this is how RG3 plays... the whole offense is predicated on him being a running threat and it's been like that since college; dude has never shown to be capable to sit in the pocket and run an Air Coryell-type of passing attack, so why ask him to do that now? but he did have a point in saying that RG3 (and to a lesser extent, Mike Shanahan) is going to have to adjust his game because he WILL be injured often; and if him being less of a running threat is going to diminish his productivity that much, then he has to adjust, because this won't be the only time he's out there with a hurt leg

Did those throws point to an obvious year long flaw in RGIII's overall game?

Nothing changes about you using one game to decide RGIII overall characteristics at the QB position.

That is dumb.

 

[OG Talk]

RG3 could learn a lot from Trent Dilfer....


Hell.. We all can...

 

[#1 pick]

But Vick, Brady, and Rivers played hurt.

 

[HacksawJimThuggin]

Did those throws point to an obvious year long flaw in RGIII's overall game?

Nothing changes about you using one game to decide RGIII overall characteristics at the QB position.

That is dumb.

was there ever a game this season where RG3 got hurt, couldn't run the ball, and was forced to sit in the pocket on a hobbled leg and consistently make accurate throws? it's the first time he's had to do that this season and thus the first time we've seen him have to do that this season... a lot of it is on the Shanahan's though; when you run a gimmicky offense based on your QB running the ball, if for some reason your QB can no longer run the ball, the deficiencies of the offense start to come to the forefront; those read options are getting shut down; WR screens aren't working as well; play action doesn't have the same effect, etc. But at the same time, give them credit for maximizing the talent they had to work with. Think they could have tweaked the game plan enough to where RG3's injury didn't play such a huge part, though.

 

[#1 pick]

RG3 couldn't plant his feet so I won't kill him for that.

 

[NYC Rebel]

was there ever a game this season where RG3 got hurt, couldn't run the ball, and was forced to sit in the pocket on a hobbled leg and consistently make accurate throws? it's the first time he's had to do that this season and thus the first time we've seen him have to do that this season... a lot of it is on the Shanahan's though; when you run a gimmicky offense based on your QB running the ball, if for some reason your QB can no longer run the ball, the deficiencies of the offense start to come to the forefront; those read options are getting shut down; WR screens aren't working as well; play action doesn't have the same effect, etc. But at the same time, give them credit for maximizing the talent they had to work with. Think they could have tweaked the game plan enough to where RG3's injury didn't play such a huge part, though.

Hold up....you said him being hurt didn't matter. Now to prove your point it does count when you want me to include the games when he wasn't hurt.

You keep calling what they run as gimmicky when the Packers run swing passes to their RB as their receivers basically go down field and block as soon as the ball is snapped. We saw that this weekend against the Vikes where even Collinsworth said they've been killing temas with that the second half of the season. The same way the Pats do the same thing with Wes Welker. These are all variations of the same offense teams are running throughout the league but it's only a gimmick when RGIII is running it.

Spare me the nonsense man.

 

[Champ_KW]

....how can he play from the confines of the pocket when Kyle kept dialing up zone reads???

 

[mastermind]

see, that might be a valid point, except that the throws that Dilfer critiqued:

1) the interception where RG3 threw into double coverage while someone underneath was wide open

2) him over throwing Moss on the deep out

3) that 3rd down where RG3 threw it to no receiver in particular when someone was wide open underneath running a crossing route

1) that actually wasnt double coverage, Earl Thomas made up ground to pick that ball off. Garcon beat Brandon Browner and RG3 put it up there for his Garcon to make a play. Unfortunately he couldnt generate the power on the throw because he couldnt plant off his right leg. If RG3's leg is right, he either overthrows Garcon or its there for him to make a play.

2) He has been overthrowing everyone since he came back from this knee injury. Its clear the knee is an issue because he wasnt doing this before.

3) "that 3rd down where RG3 threw to no receiver in particular..."

none of those had to do with your plant leg being injured

thats because you have no idea what you are talking about.

the only reason I somewhat disagree with what Dilfer said is because this is how RG3 plays... the whole offense is predicated on him being a running threat and it's been like that since college; dude has never shown to be capable to sit in the pocket and run an Air Coryell-type of passing attack, so why ask him to do that now? but he did have a point in saying that RG3 (and to a lesser extent, Mike Shanahan) is going to have to adjust his game because he WILL be injured often; and if him being less of a running threat is going to diminish his productivity that much, then he has to adjust, because this won't be the only time he's out there with a hurt leg

you have no idea what you are talking about.

This foundations of this offense is Shanahan's West Coast Offense. The Skins run the same exact plays for RG3 that they did for Rex Grossman, that they did for Kirk Cousins against Cleveland. The running is a bonus option, and why not use it since its a great talent.

You literally have no idea what you are talking about except for what the ESPN types tell you what a QB should play like.

Hold up....you said him being hurt didn't matter. Now to prove your point it does count when you want me to include the games when he wasn't hurt.

You keep calling what they run as gimmicky when the Packers run swing passes to their RB as their receivers basically go down field and block as soon as the ball is snapped. We saw that this weekend against the Vikes where even Collinsworth said they've been killing temas with that the second half of the season. The same way the Pats do the same thing with Wes Welker. These are all variations of the same offense teams are running throughout the league but it's only a gimmick when RGIII is running it.

Spare me the nonsense man.

dawg, he doesnt know what he is talking about. Straight up. All he is doing is regurgitating what Jaworski and those types have been saying all year.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Hold up....you said him being hurt didn't matter. Now to prove your point it does count when you want me to include the games when he wasn't hurt.

You keep calling what they run as gimmicky when the Packers run swing passes to their RB as their receivers basically go down field and block as soon as the ball is snapped. We saw that this weekend against the Vikes where even Collinsworth said they've been killing temas with that the second half of the season. The same way the Pats do the same thing with Wes Welker. These are all variations of the same offense teams are running throughout the league but it's only a gimmick when RGIII is running it.

Spare me the nonsense man.

dawg, he doesnt know what he is talking about. Straight up. All he is doing is regurgitating what Jaworski and those types have been saying all year.

I really hate discussing football in here some times. Dudes obviously WAIT for the media to say it before confirming it yet don't see what's going on in front of them.

 

[HacksawJimThuggin]

LMAO at Rex Grossman running the read option every other play


cotdamn you guys are dumb