MooseMouthMthafuga
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You know it's trickery.Trae Young's not stong nor explosive enough to be going to the line 16 times.Refs are fools to fall for such "Craftiness"
I'm referring to the play in the OP.I don't know which specific play you are referencing. I'm a Hawks fan so I see him play just about every game and what he usually does is if he gets past you and you are on his hip tight he will slow his dribble, once he feels you on top of him he then goes up for the shot. The defenders momentum carries him into Trae so it's called a foul. It's the same thing Harden, CP3, and other shifty guards do.
He isn't initiating the contact unless you are of the belief that you should only dribble at one speed.
Refs job isn't to try to judge intent, how many fouls are on purpose?He "ran into" him? really? That's what you call "running into" someone? The defender was barely even moving at the point they contacted, he barely touched him.
He "plays on" it. So you admit that he's the one choosing to create contact.
The defender isn't trying to create the contact, Trae is. That's my point. Trae isn't looking for the best way to score, Trae isn't looking for the best way to avoid contact, he's looking for the best way to create contact and impede his OWN ability to score so that he can get to the foul line. That's why it's bullshyt.
They play professionally its what among ballers is dubbed a "pro move".I'm referring to the play in the OP.
I don't think y'all understand what "initiating" means. You keep admitting that he's trying to create the contact and then claim he's not initiating because the other player has momentum. If you are intentionally creating the contact while the defender is not trying to create contact, then you are initiating. The fact that he has "crafty" ways of doing it is irrelevant. It's a ref-baiting play, not a basketball play, you'd never do that shyt on the playground cause it would be pointless. It doesn't help you make a basket.
I'm referring to the play in the OP.
I don't think y'all understand what "initiating" means. You keep admitting that he's trying to create the contact and then claim he's not initiating because the other player has momentum. If you are intentionally creating the contact while the defender is not trying to create contact, then you are initiating. The fact that he has "crafty" ways of doing it is irrelevant. It's a ref-baiting play, not a basketball play, you'd never do that shyt on the playground cause it would be pointless. It doesn't help you make a basket.
Im sayin tho. I know that's what he says. But who does he play like? Nash or Steph? Plus when you add to the fact that he never acknowledges that Steph never had any influence on his game...that's a lil off. Reminds me of when Kobe used say Magic was his favorite player and his idol. But what did Kobe's game clearly say?
Either way i like the lil nikka he's added stuff to his game Steph still can't get to
Perfect example, that's one of the stupidest, most bullshyt drawn "fouls" out there. NBA even acknowledged this in part when they changed the rule back in 2011 but they left enough leeway room that it still happens.When the defender has his arms out and the offensive player sweeps through with the ball and draws a foul, is it not a foul? Did he bait the ref?
If he tries to put up a good shot it obviously not ref-baiting. If he purposely avoids the best shot and throws his arms into the defender when he shoots instead (as Harden often does), then of course it's ref-baiting.So when a player pump fakes, gets the player into the air, and then proceeds to shoot knowing there will be contact is that a ref baiting play? The offensive player could have sidestepped the defender and avoided the contact, but he didn't, so according to you it's baiting.
It's to me that people complain about the NBA being too soft and then co-sign THAT shyt as a foul. He was barely moving when the "foul" occurred, he barely touched him, but now the narrative is he "bodied" him just cause Trae stopped and stuck his ass out and purposely initiated and then flopped.In basketball the defender can't run into the offensive player, that's a foul all day. It's simple breh. In the OP video the defender grabs Trae by the waist and then bodies him from behind, that's a foul.
That's false, refs are repeatedly asked to judge intent on calls.Refs job isn't to try to judge intent, how many fouls are on purpose?
Vid was posted yesterday. None of that is a real basketball move
Doesnt play like nash at all. Nash hunted for shots other pplhe plays like Nash
If you watch the Hawks he’s on his playmaking shyt like Nash.
The nba just highlights his 3s cause that’s what’s hot to the kids rn
Going down that scam Harden road early huh? Nice quick way for the league to hate ya guts
Don’t get caught wit ya hand extended any contact in shooting motion is a foul you know thatNash says this but watches KD do the rip threw move multiple times a game