Traditional African gay wedding debuts

[the mechanic]

homosexuality is the norm with ancient african tribes.

Going too far with that..Many tribes didnt come up with a name for it for a reason..they didnt want to talk about it

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

Arent you gay tho? Biased fakkit tryna push your agenda to us

Come to east africa with that gay crap and get your head layed flat on the chopping block.

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it was the foreigners who came into africa introducing their culture and religion onto them..
You have to accept that the original way of living in Mama Africa did not reject sexual bonding between men with men.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

It's a Zulu wedding, from the looks of it. Traditionally, Zulu weren't intolerant of homosexuality, so calling it the "first" may be a stretch. There's some evidence that the famous Shaka Zulu himself slept with men on a regular basis. Male on male "marriages" are called hlobongo on the Zulu language... in other words, there was already a word for it.

The only place that was 'traditional' was in the South African Gold Mines. Hlobongo means 'mine marriage' and didn't exist prior to the 1970's.

[ame="http://www.amazon.ca/Going-Gold-Men-Mines-Migration/dp/0520086449/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1365491327&sr=1-1"]Going for Gold: Men, Mines, and Migration: Amazon.ca: T. Dunbar Moodie, Vivienne Ndatshe: Books[/ame]

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[thekingsmen]

How do i put this...My tribe not having a word for it doesnt automatically means it never happened..it just means we didnt talk about it (openly anyway)so the word Gay never got created in my tribe..but other tribes like the Swahili did have several words for gay men because they talk about it quite openly,so do the Zulu,the buganda and quite a few others

It's like car, plane, bicycle were invented later in history...there were no words for it for these African languages...so just like many of these creations, words had to describe them. It's the same with homosexuality.



I know quite well that many pedophiles were sent to Africa on the Popes and Queens payroll..however they werent openly gay..the British colonial machine and the church were openly homophobic they certainly would have no hand in promoting any gay agenda.

I think people confuse "Openly Gay" with the Mindset of what they practiced outside but the behavior towards others is that they molested and raped men on a regular. They enjoyed it and punished those who weren't of their race as blasphemy. The British Empire was a disconnect of the Catholic Church back when Colonizing was permitted. Spain was more connected. Gay Agendas were used as rape was used...it was for control of the subject.



How you found this out is the intresting part

Research.

 

[thekingsmen]

Once again 5 pages in and it's back to attacking Mowgli.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

It's a Zulu wedding, from the looks of it. Traditionally, Zulu weren't intolerant of homosexuality, so calling it the "first" may be a stretch. There's some evidence that the famous Shaka Zulu himself slept with men on a regular basis. Male on male "marriages" are called hlobongo on the Zulu language... in other words, there was already a word for it.

Post a link or GTFOH with this bullshyt.

 

[The Real]

The only place that was 'traditional' was in the South African Gold Mines. Hlobongo means 'mine marriage' and didn't exist prior to the 1970's.

Going for Gold: Men, Mines, and Migration: Amazon.ca: T. Dunbar Moodie, Vivienne Ndatshe: Books

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Good book, but it doesn't exhaust the question. The book itself indicates that the mine marriages were with older precedents. The problem is that we'll probably never know to what extent or how. With many of these societies, the fact that homosexuality wasn't "problematic" (which is to say, an object of great social concern,) it makes the evidence harder to locate. The mine marriages are definitely a modern phenomenon, and there is a certain kind of modern homosexuality that emerged during the 70s, the same way one did here, in the US.

 

[froggle]

Yeah this is nothing groundbreaking there SA has lots of "mine marriages" between the senior male miners and the younger ones..it got so bad some would forget about their women at home and keep extending their contracts just to stay with their "boys"..

The intolerance in Africa in a large part stems from the Christian missionaries and the church

Like Uganda for example had Kabaka mwanga who famously executed his entire harem of palace page boys when they converted to christianity and refused his advances...now its the most homophobic place on earth thanks to the missionaries.

For Mwanga, the ultimate humiliation was the insolence he received from the boy pages of his male-harem when they resisted his sexual advances. According to old tradition the king was the center of power and authority, and he could dispense with any life as he felt. It was unheard of for mere pages to reject the wishes of a king. Given those conflicting values Mwanga was determined to rid his kingdom of the new teaching and its followers. Mwanga therefore precipitated a showdown in May 1886 by ordering converts in his court to choose between their new faith, and complete obedience to his orders and sexual desires.
In total at least forty-five Catholic and Protestant neophytes went to their deaths; although the actual number is likely to be higher.[1] Twenty-two of the men, who had converted to Catholicism, were burned alive at Namugongo in 1886 and later became known as the Uganda Martyrs. Among those executed were two Christians who held the court position of Master of the Pages, Joseph Mukasa Balikuddembe and Charles Lwanga. They had repeatedly defied the king by rescuing royal pages in their care from sexual exploitation by Mwanga which they believed contrary to Christian teaching.[1]

I have to applaud these boys, they would rather choose death than participate in their culo being blasted... pretty demonic stuff

 

[Blackking]

you n1ggas. smh. How do you allow others to use you to rewrite your own history? That's some crazy shyt.

 

[The Real]

Going too far with that..Many tribes didnt come up with a name for it for a reason..they didnt want to talk about it

I agree that Tua is going too far, but there's another perspective on that, too. Michel Foucault talks about "problematization," when some social element becomes a "problem" in the sense of an object of study or scrutinization- people spend time naming, classifying, writing about or explaining it. The idea here is that ironically, regulation or control can be related more to open speech than to silence in some ways. For example, take the Kama Sutra. Stereotypically, people take it to reflect a kind of sexual freedom in medieval Indian culture, but actually, it's the exact opposite- if you read it, it's a book of social etiquette for the noble class: the dos and don'ts of proper sex, even if the "do" list is very large. So the fact that so much time and energy was put into classifying and talking about sex means that, far from being a society of sexual freedom, it was highly regulated, down to minor details.

To approach it from a different angle, I remember asking my great-grandmother about whether or not she was aware of homosexuals when she was growing up in the country. She basically said yeah, everyone knew about it, and it was an open secret, not officially sanctioned, but we didn't really have a specific word for it or talk about it a lot, not to avoid or deny it, but because it was just another thing that happened in that time and place. In other words, it wasn't "problematic," or an object of great social scrutiny.

The upshot here is that sometimes, the silence or relative inattention paid to something can also be a sign that it was freely occurring and unregulated.

 

[mbewane]

If I get this whole back and forth right, no one has proof that homosexuality existed "before colonizers" (as if the continent was homogeneous before and totally closed to the world), and the only proof we have that it did NOT exist is..."that's some cac sh*t, real n*ggas don't do that", correct?

 

[Blackking]

The upshot here is that sometimes, the silence or relative inattention paid to something can also be a sign that it was freely occurring and unregulated.

Basically, ^ is the only way that all sides will be satisfied. It may not be right but silence is golden. Most humans are confrontational people when it comes to their lifestyles or beliefs; and don't like their foundations shook.

If we are to assume that fakkits were fakkitting it up back then (which I'm not sure of) we should also assume that they had a good time doing it. Even in societies where it's acceptable - it's just thought of as acceptable and not made into a big deal.

If I had a village and we had traditional customs... it doesn't interrupt our way of living or culture - if 1-10% of the people do homosexual acts. However, If those people are making a scene and just putting all that sh1t in the atmosphere, then I as a Chief would be forced to do whatever I needed to do to preserve traditional culture. Humans, especially those in leadership positions, handicap any movement they feel is counterproductive.

Today.... I think that homosexuals looked at the Civil Rights movement and said ' hey that's what we need to do to be looked at as normal'. They were wrong as fck and the majority of the backlash against them was catalyzed by their own actions. A man isn't looked at funny because he's gay.. he's looked at funny if he has heels on and a blouse and he's not the artist Prince. They confused a civil right with sexual orientation. They actually believe they didn't have basic human rights, when they did.. so they have stirred the pot over the last 40 years... causing people to do research on homosexual mental disorders, question their motivations, and come up with all this derogatory language that we use.. I feel all that could have been avoided.

 

[Sonni]

Homosexual in senegalese Wolof language is said ''goor-djigeen'' which literally means man-woman. No idea when it was introduced or where the word comes from.

 

[Bud Bundy]

Obviously they're heavily influenced by cacs because only the white man pushes this sort of filth to black people. Their hevy cac accents are testament to how far they've fallen from black values.

just like Christianity.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

A traditional african wedding is between a man and a woman. This is a new african tradition. A demonic one. These people are going to be destroyed one day, if they dont reject this filth.