Traditional African gay wedding debuts

[thekingsmen]

What did I say that wasn't true? It's true that the Zulu had male on male ceremonies before this one, and that there is a word for it. It's also true that there is some evidence that Shaka Zulu engaged in homosexual activity (notice that I didn't say he was gay or that it this evidence was incontrovertible.) In fact, I personally don't think that he was, though I could be wrong.

1. Zulu practices were never homosexual until White Colonizers came. No African Tribe had that until the Colonizers came.

2. Bring your evidence instead of talking about it

3. Homosexual activity and being gay is the same thing. You allow a man to bang you up your ass is gay.

 

[Bondye Vodou]

Guess they haven't read the bible otherwise these heathens would know they're going to hell for their dastardly love of culo blasting. I guess they should've also read the bible so they'd understand the definition of marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN! Jesus will not go easy on these sodomites!

the bible what does the bible say about rabbis who perform fellatio on frshly circumcised baby cocks?

tell me bout that

 

[The Real]

1. Zulu practices were never homosexual until White Colonizers came. No African Tribe had that until the Colonizers came.

2. Bring your evidence instead of talking about it

Sorry, but this is not true at all. Just like everywhere else in the world, African societies had a diverse range of views on sexuality before Europeans came along. In some places, homos were demonized. In others, they were tolerated. In others, they were celebrated. In fact, the first documented cases of homosexuality were in ancient Egypt.

Also, this argument ignores that European colonists were notoriously homophobic, and part of their forcing Christianity on African people was wiping out homosexual activity.

Here's one example of documented, traditional homosexual relations by an unbiased anthropologist with no pro or anti-gay agenda:
Evans-Pritchard: Sexual Inversion among the Azande

3. Homosexual activity and being gay is the same thing. You allow a man to bang you up your ass is gay.

This is extremely simplistic. There are many cases in which people engage in gay activity without themselves identifying as gay, or only being attracted to men. In fact, it's common among certain warrior cultures (vikings, samurai, persians, Muslim empires, ancient greeks, etc.)

 

[thekingsmen]

Sorry, but this is not true at all. Just like everywhere else in the world, African societies had a diverse range of views on sexuality before Europeans came along. In some places, homos were demonized. In others, they were tolerated. In others, they were celebrated. In fact, the first documented cases of homosexuality were in ancient Egypt.

No records of homosexuality before the White Colonizers....so unless you can show some records.





Also, this argument ignores that European colonists were notoriously homophobic, and part of their forcing Christianity on African people was wiping out homosexual activity.

Whoever told you that must of been ignoring that White Settlers raped African men in American Colonies and homosexuality was practiced behind closed doors to control the contradiction. The very fact that people practiced homosexual rituals on Saturnalia Holiday were well known.



Here's one example of documented, traditional homosexual relations by an unbiased anthropologist with no pro or anti-gay agenda:
Evans-Pritchard: Sexual Inversion among the Azande

That book explains nothing before Settlers....every document was way after settlers got there.



This is extremely simplistic. There are many cases in which people engage in gay activity without themselves identifying as gay, or only being attracted to men. In fact, it's common among certain warrior cultures (vikings, samurai, Persians, Muslim empires, ancient Greeks, etc.)

Vikings, Greeks, Persians before Islam were Pagans. Pagans believed in homosexuality and homosexual acts.

 

[the mechanic]

No records of homosexuality before the White Colonizers....so unless you can show some records.

That book explains nothing before Settlers....every document was way after settlers got there.

Vikings, Greeks, Persians before Islam were Pagans. Pagans believed in homosexuality and homosexual acts.

@thekingsmen Most of ancient african history is oral tradition which was recorded mostly by missionaries..hence the distortions and the lack of pre colonial literature


Some anthropologists have tried to clear this up with unbiased recording from the older surviving generations like that book the real posted

What is clear form the language is that there WERE varying attitudes some tribes accepted it ,some turned a blind eye..my native tribe is one of the latter we dont even have a word to describe gay or gay sex..the zulu did have a word for it and even a word for such relationships which points to a general cultural acceptance...this should be obvious to anybody...

 

[Slang]

Blasphemous

That nikka stays making up the most outrageous stuff on the internet.

 

[the mechanic]

Obviously they're heavily influenced by cacs because only the white man pushes this sort of filth to black people. Their hevy cac accents are testament to how far they've fallen from black values.

Or that their News anchors were educated in europe...trust me the average person doesnt speak like that over there even the white south africans talk like

 

[thekingsmen]

@thekingsmen Most of ancient african history is oral tradition which was recorded mostly by missionaries..hence the distortions and the lack of pre colonial literature

That doesn't mean that oral tradition was about homosexual activities. Wouldn't before Colonialist that the population would be smaller since Homosexuals can't mate? Population grew in Africa for a reason


Some anthropologists have tried to clear this up with unbiased recording from the older surviving generations like that book the real posted.

European anthropologists...?




What is clear form the language is that there WERE varying attitudes some tribes accepted it ,some turned a blind eye..my native tribe is one of the latter we dont even have a word to describe gay or gay sex..the zulu did have a word for it and even a word for such relationships which points to a general cultural acceptance...this should be obvious to anybody...

Again to say Gay were normal in Africa...there would be a language term or word for it. Zulu didn't have that originally.

 

[the mechanic]

there would be a language term or word for it. Zulu didn't have that originally

Thats what im trying to tell you they did have those words..the etymology of the word predates the white mans arrival

The first white people were missionaries who tried to erase those words and tried to teach them that any kind of non biblical sexuality was evil..the missionaries own accounts confirm this.

 

[The Real]

Blasphemous

Like I said, I personally don't think he did. Yall gotta stop seeing Shaka Zulu through rose-tinted glasses, though. He was far from perfect and did a lot of cruel and horrible things. When I was in S. Africa, Zulu opinion on him was divided.

 

[thekingsmen]

Thats what im trying to tell you they did have those words..the etymology of the word predates the white mans arrival

Here is your qoute:
my native tribe is one of the latter we dont even have a word to describe gay or gay sex. How does this predate European arrival if your language doesn't have terms or language for it?



The first white people were missionaries who tried to erase those words and tried to teach them that any kind of non biblical sexuality was evil..the missionaries own accounts confirm this.

You truly have to read history on what the missionaries did to the natives and it wasn't just about erasing their culture life-line...their language. Most of the missionaries were told by their governments this crap and behind closed doors...homosexuality was through the higher oligarchs. King James was a closet homosexual..

 

[The Real]

No records of homosexuality before the White Colonizers....so unless you can show some records.

There are very few available written records of life in pre-colonial Africa, as Mechanic already pointed out, for many reasons. We have anthropological data, though, like what I posted.

Whoever told you that must of been ignoring that White Settlers raped African men in American Colonies and homosexuality was practiced behind closed doors to control the contradiction. The very fact that people practiced homosexual rituals on Saturnalia Holiday were well known.

There was a lot of rape in colonization, but most of it was heterosexual. The vast majority of Christianization involved destroying homosexuality, not promoting it. As for homosexual saturnalia rituals, there's no evidence of mass practice of those things. Don't come at me with conspiracy theories, please.

That book explains nothing before Settlers....every document was way after settlers got there.

So? Those practices aren't European practices. Read the article and see for yourself if they have any European influence. Nothing described sounds anything like a practice that can be found in Europe or anywhere else outside the Azande.

Vikings, Greeks, Persians before Islam were Pagans. Pagans believed in homosexuality and homosexual acts.

The vast majority of Africans were "pagans" before Europeans showed up. You shouldn't use a vague term like pagan, though. There were many kinds of diverse belief systems. Not all of them endorsed homosexuality.

 

[the mechanic]

Here is your qoute:
my native tribe is one of the latter we dont even have a word to describe gay or gay sex. How does this predate European arrival if your language doesn't have terms or language for it?

How do i put this...My tribe not having a word for it doesnt automatically means it never happened..it just means we didnt talk about it (openly anyway)so the word Gay never got created in my tribe..but other tribes like the Swahili did have several words for gay men because they talk about it quite openly,so do the Zulu,the buganda and quite a few others

You truly have to read history on what the missionaries did to the natives and it wasn't just about erasing their culture life-line...their language. Most of the missionaries were told by their governments this crap and behind closed doors..

I know quite well that many pedophiles were sent to Africa on the Popes and Queens payroll..however they werent openly gay..the British colonial machine and the church were openly homophobic they certainly would have no hand in promoting any gay agenda

.homosexuality was through the higher oligarchs. King James was a closet homosexual..

How you found this out is the intresting part

 

[Mowgli]

Or that their News anchors were educated in europe...trust me the average person doesnt speak like that over there even the white south africans talk like

Interview with Die Antwoord - Ninja and Yolandi Visser - Take No Prisoners - YouTube

Point is, nikkas dont fukk with fakkitry like that. Especially to the point of making a news story celebrating 2 fakkits getting married. Thats cac culture and its obviously not surprising that the people involve speak the kings english. White people are spreading the celebration of homosexuality around the world. Only them. Please stop letting them use you as an agent to paint some kind of picture that this is part of our culture.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Point is, nikkas dont fukk with fakkitry like that. Especially to the point of making a news story celebrating 2 fakkits getting married. Thats cac culture and its obviously not surprising that the people involve speak the kings english. White people are spreading the celebration of homosexuality around the world. Only them. Please stop letting them use you as an agent to paint some kind of picture that this is part of our culture.

Lol@a mullato descendent of Portuguese colonialists and Cape Verdean slave traders with an Asian wife trying to speak for "nikkas." Cornball.