Trade 3 Firsts and a 3rd for a 4th Brehs - Official 2023 San Francisco 49ers Season Thread!!!

[Bryan Danielson]

Again @EzekelRAGE who are WE to question Spaggs

 

[yseJ]

Yes, because Shanny and Reid both made mistakes. But Shanny had a muffed punt and a blocked PAT go against him. That's how close the game was. Call it "unlucky" or whatever but that's part of the game. Shanny wasn't perfect but he was also unlucky, whereas Reid wasn't perfect but luck was on his side.

pacheco also fumbled inside our red zone, so I dont think you can say we were unlucky and they werent

 

[Bryan Danielson]

its a shytty spin move sure but that was a hold come on breh...youre not allowed to hug players like that and prevent them from moving

Yes that’s absolutely a hold and there was a HOLD on Warner too but i been trying my hardest not to say shyt……

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[King Kreole]

On the OT thing, we needed to score a TD. It doesn't matter really that we took the ball first. Shanny said he wanted the third possession. Reid said he would have gone for a 2-point conversion to try to cancel that out. It's all a moot point.

They needed to score 7 and that's all it was. If you want to make an argument, I think the argument is whether to go for it on 4th and 4. I think I would have gone for it because you're at the 9-yard line.

We only KNOW they needed to score 7 in hindsight, which is the whole reason we didn't go for it on 4th down. I didn't see anyone screaming for us to go for it on our 4th down instead of taking the 3 points, just as if the Chiefs got to 4th down on their last series it would have been an open question on whether to kick or go for it (although it's an easier decision for them to go for it because it would end the game). We didn't go for a TD because Shanny took the ball first, which robbed of us the crucial confirmation of what turned out to be fact. Unless Reid says he would have gone for it on 4th and 1 on their first series, then the downside of Shanny's decision isn't cancelled out.

 

[yseJ]

We only KNOW they needed to score 7 in hindsight, which is the whole reason we didn't go for it on 4th down. I didn't see anyone screaming for us to go for it on our 4th down instead of taking the 3 points, just as if the Chiefs got to 4th down on their last series it would have been an open question on whether to kick or go for it (although it's an easier decision for them to go for it because it would end the game). We didn't go for a TD because Shanny took the ball first, which robbed of us the crucial confirmation of what turned out to be fact. Unless Reid says he would have gone for it on 4th and 1 on their first series, then the downside of Shanny's decision isn't cancelled out.

nah I was screaming for them to do it, I hated that we kicked there

you dont settle for 3 in OT against mahomes, on their nine yard line

 

[Jmare007]

On KC's first series of their OT possession we took them to a 4th and 1 on their own 34. They're most likely punting in that circumstance if we chose to kick instead of receive. Which sets us up for a game winning FG drive, which is what we did with our first possession of OT. If both teams have the exact same OT performance but we flip Kyle's decision, we most likely win the game. Granted, this is contingent on the defense performing similarly without the rest of our first OT possession, which is the most legit reason Kyle had to receive first. Mahomes might be able to be stopped on 3 down football, but there's no chance you're stopping him on 4 down football. Which is also why if you choose to do this 3rd possession strategy against Mahomes, you NEED to score a TD on your first possession. Settling for a FG was a killer. But it was too tempting to pass up because we chose to receive.

I just don't think Reid calls the same plays either so who knows if they even get to that 4th & 1 call anyways. We also got to take into account that our defense was gassed and hurt after that 4th quarter. You put them out there and people still think they are forcing KC to punt? to me this feels like the same frail logic of Moody's blocked extra point being the difference between winning or losing the game.

And let's say that we somehow force the Chiefs to punt in OT. What's the evidence Spags doesn't sell out against every play and we punt back anyway? We were lucky there was a holding call on our first 3rd down of OT too because Brock wouldn't have had the time to look for Jauan and make that pass either

 

[Bryan Danielson]

This the play



But whatever

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Id run the ball twice on 3rd and 4 there, I agree

worst case scenario is that you get stopped and KC takes over inside their own 10 needing to kick a FG to win

My feeling on it is Mahomes is going to at least get a FG either way. He's too good not to and the defense is tired. So go for it. At least then you can put up a 7 on the board and have a chance.

 

[King Kreole]

I just don't think Reid calls the same plays either so who knows if they even get to that 4th & 1 call anyways. We also got to take into account that our defense was gassed and hurt after that 4th quarter. You put them out there and people still think they are forcing KC to punt? to me this feels like the same frail logic of Moody's blocked extra point being the difference between winning or losing the game.

And let's say that we somehow force the Chiefs to punt in OT. What's the evidence Spags doesn't sell out against every play and we punt back anyway? We were lucky there was a holding call on our first 3rd down of OT too because Brock wouldn't have had the time to look for Jauan and make that pass either

Yeah this is all admittedly hypothetical guesswork. I don't think it was some horrible mistake to receive, it could have worked out, I just felt like it handed control of the game to KC and added way more static to our decision making. Game of inches.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

pacheco also fumbled inside our red zone, so I dont think you can say we were unlucky and they werent

CMC fumbled on our first drive. He never fumbles. But fumbles happen. They happen all the time. Muffed punts where the ball ricochets off a player or a blocked PAT are not normal everyday things.

Reid had luck on his side more than Shanny.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

We only KNOW they needed to score 7 in hindsight, which is the whole reason we didn't go for it on 4th down. I didn't see anyone screaming for us to go for it on our 4th down instead of taking the 3 points, just as if the Chiefs got to 4th down on their last series it would have been an open question on whether to kick or go for it (although it's an easier decision for them to go for it because it would end the game). We didn't go for a TD because Shanny took the ball first, which robbed of us the crucial confirmation of what turned out to be fact. Unless Reid says he would have gone for it on 4th and 1 on their first series, then the downside of Shanny's decision isn't cancelled out.

Nah... with Mahomes on the other side that was a point in the game where you need to be aggressive. I didn't kill Shanny for it because the defense needs to not allow seven... but they did allow seven and what can you do but tip your cap to Mahomes.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

 

[yseJ]

literally cleveland ran more man against us with success

the thing you have to have great DBs to run man against us. Browns and Chiefs have them

 

[King Kreole]

Nah... with Mahomes on the other side that was a point in the game where you need to be aggressive. I didn't kill Shanny for it because the defense needs to not allow seven... but they did allow seven and what can you do but tip your cap to Mahomes.

Exactly my point, that possibility lingered in our minds and almost came to fruition. The chiefs converted on a 4th and 1, 3rd and 6 and 3rd and 1 on their final drive. That's 1 botched snap, 1 dropped pass, 1 stroke of luck away. That was all in Kyle's mind when he made the decision to kick the FG.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Exactly my point, that possibility lingered in our minds and almost came to fruition. The chiefs converted on a 4th and 1, 3rd and 6 and 3rd and 1 on their final drive. That's 1 botched snap, 1 dropped pass, 1 stroke of luck away. That was all in Kyle's mind when he made the decision to kick the FG.

But that means you are hoping for Mahomes to fukk up and in that spot he rarely does. It is what it is. I always prefer the team to be on the attack. That's also one of the reasons I like Purdy. He's always looking for a kill shot.