Trade 3 Firsts and a 3rd for a 4th Brehs - Official 2023 San Francisco 49ers Season Thread!!!

[King Kreole]

I actually didn't give a damn about the García comp either, that's why I didn't even post about it Jimmy G I can understand because he's literally our last QB1, lol.

So player comparisons are only valid if they're with the last player to be in their depth chart spot? It's fair to compare how Brock has played for us vs how Jimmy played for us, but not fair to also look at how Garcia or Montana played for us? These just seem like odd distinctions. If you find player comparison discussions stupid then fair enough, but they're a central part of sports discourse. We're just comparing performance to start a career.

Tell us how showing a group of 21 games shows you which direction he's trending? Either of them. With these stats you don't know if their first game, fifth game, tenth game or 21st game was the best, or if the games are getting better or worse over the 21 game span.

Stop listening to these twitter experts cause they confusing the facts. With this data, we have zero clue who TRENDED better from game 1 to game 21

Saying "Brock Purdy is in good company with how he's started his career" is different than saying "Brock Purdy has always increased the quality of his play game to game." By choosing to interpret that post as the latter, you're taking the term "trending" too literally. It's just saying that Brock has started his career well and is pointed in the right direction, evident by a comparison to the start of Montana's career. That claim isn't contingent on Brock playing increasingly better every game. A 21 group of games is a valid sample to assess average play for the start of a player's career. But according to your logic it would be impossible to tell if a QB breaking the record for highest rookie year QBR had a good year or not because maybe they ended the year with 2 stinkers. Most great players don't end their careers with their best seasons, but that doesn't invalidate their greatness. When people point to Tom Brady holding the record for most passing yards, passing tds, SB wins, SB MVPs, and regular season wins as evidence he's the GOAT, they're not doing a time-weighted analysis, they're looking at the overall picture.

 

[King Kreole]

I think people are just really triggered seeing anything that has to do with Montana

Which is unfortunate because we just saw a pretty historic year from our current QB

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Just out of curiosity, what's your conclusion after watching Brock's first 21 starts and looking at his numbers?

That he's a good QB when having his weapons and we clearly saw what he is without them. I don't have his game to game numbers, like they should have shown, to show his arc. But I'd imagine it improved then dropped drastically over those 3 games, then slightly rose up, then dropped again at the Ravens to it's lowest point, then went back up again..

Now to compare that to anyone, you'd need to see their games arc as well.. Not just a total of them all.

So player comparisons are only valid if they're with the last player to be in their depth chart spot? It's fair to compare how Brock has played for us vs how Jimmy played for us, but not fair to also look at how Garcia or Montana played for us? These just seem like odd distinctions. If you find player comparison discussions stupid then fair enough, but they're a central part of sports discourse. We're just comparing performance to start a career.


Saying "Brock Purdy is in good company with how he's started his career" is different than saying "Brock Purdy has always increased the quality of his play game to game." By choosing to interpret that post as the latter, you're taking the term "trending" too literally. It's just saying that Brock has started his career well and is pointed in the right direction, evident by a comparison to the start of Montana's career. That claim isn't contingent on Brock playing increasingly better every game. A 21 group of games is a valid sample to assess average play for the start of a player's career. But according to your logic it would be impossible to tell if a QB breaking the record for highest rookie year QBR had a good year or not because maybe they ended the year with 2 stinkers. Most great players don't end their careers with their best seasons, but that doesn't invalidate their greatness. When people point to Tom Brady holding the record for most passing yards, passing tds, SB wins, SB MVPs, and regular season wins as evidence he's the GOAT, they're not doing a time-weighted analysis, they're looking at the overall picture.

How does one take the words you are using too literally? That's LITERALLY what he said. If he wanted to make it about the point you're making, he could have literally used other words to convey that point.

This is the problem with clickbait media. He can post the stats to get you talking but then make another point with the words to get you discussing that. And now everyone has two reasons to click and two to argue. It's something you learn in Youtube marketing. Title of the video "The 5 things not to do in a fight" but the words on the graphic in the thumbnail "The 5 things to do to win a fight"

Got them both ways... Corny shyt

 

[Jmare007]

So player comparisons are only valid if they're with the last player to be in their depth chart spot? It's fair to compare how Brock has played for us vs how Jimmy played for us, but not fair to also look at how Garcia or Montana played for us? These just seem like odd distinctions. If you find player comparison discussions stupid then fair enough, but they're a central part of sports discourse. We're just comparing performance to start a career.

It's not about being fair, I just think it's useless. I don't need to see how Montana or García or Warner or Elway or whoever did in their 21 games to know that Brock is a good QB that shows glimpses of being great if he keeps improving.

The Jimmy G stuff I at least understand because it's a more direct comp. How were we doing with the guy that had similar weapons with the same HC against the same competition. I think it's pretty damn obvious we all feel better with Brock at QB. But even those arguments become silly, like what we had to endure when Kaep and Alex Smith were on the team (Smith having such a fierce defense by some fans when Kaep kept winning became ridiculous).

So yeah, I normally hate players comparisons. My original post on the matter was replying to breh saying Niner fans come up with some dumb takes and to me, they usually come out when it comes to QB discussion

 

[Heretic]

Brock creating some really dumb 9er takes.

That's literally just comparing their first 21 starts. That's the best comparison they can make to Joe right now. Otherwise Brock got a LONGGGGGGGG way to go.

 

[feelosofer]

One thing Joe Montana in his first couple of seasons was essentially playing on the team that was in the midst of a rebuild. He grew with Bill Walsh and crew. So and I am guessing they are starting from the 80-81 season. So in actuality what Joe Montana pulled off was more impressive.

BUT

That doesn't diminish what Brock Purdy has pulled off and I do think the excitement about him is justified he has 15 plus years assuming he stays healthy and he has a chance bring us to the promised land. He is the most talented QB we have had since Kaepernick and he has the perfect skillset to maximize this offense along with the bevy of weapons at our disposal.

 

[yseJ]

if Trent gets even a little dinged up in this meaningless ass game he should be stripped of ability to call whether he starts or not.

 

[Jmare007]

If he "has" to play (hard quotes on that one), then he better have limited snaps

 

[Taco]

This is a damned if you do damned if you don’t situation for the niners. They play a physical brand of football and while 3 weeks of rest sounds nice that’s just way too much time to take off. Game speed vs practice speed it’s just not the same. Of course sit the players who have nagging injuries, but if you’re healthy they should be in there for the first half. If most of our starters aren’t playing this weekend it should be no surprise if we come out sluggish in the first or even second qtr of the divisional rd.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

You cannot compare QB's from previous eras just be using pure counting stats. It has to be a deeper analysis than that. There's a bunch of QB's who threw for more yards than Montana but they weren't "better"

 

[Dat916nigga]

Verrett hurt himself in practice and he's out for the season again

Unreal

 

[yseJ]

Jason Verrett out for the season. Who possibly could have seen this coming?

 

[FaTaL]

Verrett hurt himself in practice and he's out for the season again

Unreal

too much bulk for his body frame, i just hope he retires at this point

 

[Heretic]

Verrett hurt himself in practice and he's out for the season again

Unreal

Tore his rotator cuff. how you do that in practice??? and at the end of the year where you don't even hit. He raise his arm to break up a pass and a ball bent his shyt back or something?

 

[Jmare007]

Verrett hurt himself in practice and he's out for the season again

Unreal

I hope dude has saved his money.