KFBF
Superstar
I think what “the top” refers to has changed quite a bit in the past years.
Too Many Songs, Not Enough Hits: Music Is Struggling to Create New Stars
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Our brains were not ready for this technology. You know how many times I go from HBO, to Netflix, tk prime and feel overwhelmed by the number of choices Available?
Only to watch something familiar because I don’t want to take a chance on some garbage.
Same thing is happening in music. 85% of all streamed music is old music.
Gate keepers were a necessary evil. The average person doesn’t have time to be sifting through all this trash content to find some gems.
Only to watch something familiar because I don’t want to take a chance on some garbage.
Same thing is happening in music. 85% of all streamed music is old music.
Gate keepers were a necessary evil. The average person doesn’t have time to be sifting through all this trash content to find some gems.
Sound is the same, you have rappers sounding like one another. I come from the No Limit, CMR, Suave House, Rap-A-Lot, Bad Boy etc era
Mase did not sound like Mystikal, Fiend did not sound like Jay-Z etc. Wayne at 13-16 yrs old didn't sound like Juicy J. Everybody had what was called their own style. You would be shamed for copying another person's style or sounding like them. Checks and balances were in place.
Nowadays every rapper dayum near sounds alike, talking about the same thing. Nothing is new. Every rapper sounds like they're "too good to be rapping", like even the broke and upcoming rappers, it's an entitlement mindset. This was not the case back then. Now some cats from the East Coast, they had this aura with them, which was cool, it was different from everybody else, and it was expected or tolerated because we respected their lane, now everybody has this, I'm too fly, this cockiness of a vibe to their approach to music.
Pimp C had his songs where he just went in, he came at it from a pain stance, bragging, fun, serious, cocky too, but it was a mixture of approaches he presented on records and as a listener you felt it. As I listen to these new dudes, I feel like dayum, do these dudes have bad days? Is everything always Up for these dudes. Like, where's the pain, joy, appreciation, the humbleness, those emotions.
I even remember new "slang" words used to be added to the game. Cash Money would add a new slang term, word (that was commonly used in NOLA or in the area) and it would be used maybe once or twice by an East/West Coast rapper, and they would give reference to where they got the slang from
"I'm bout it bout it" like them boys at No Limit or Master P, etc. Those rappers who weren't from the region or who didn't start the slang would pay homage and vice versa, southern rappers would pay homage to a word, metaphor etc. Nowadays, rappers use slangs from all over, they all use the same words, word play, cadence, beat pattern. etc. All these dudes laidback and tough and appear like they have bodies.
A Mannie Fresh production was not the same as a Crucial Conflict or production at Suave House. A KLC production was different from the Dungeon Family, Outkast etc. I think nobody has their own sound. It was a time where rappers worked well with certain producers. I still want to hear an all-produced album with Wayne and Mannie. Carter 1 to me, is still his best project to me and Mannie did 90-95% of that album. That album changed Wayne career, some may say the Carter 2, but I was there when Carter 1 dropped and how his career changed and how folks started viewing him as a rapper.
Nowadays, every beat sounds the same, use the same pattern, breaks, hi-hats, same loops, no bridges, (no female singers on hooks,) etc. No Indepth sounds that speaks volume to your soul. No dear mama songs.
Every song is about the same thing.
I remember reading something where Master P would tell his artist that they had to do a mama song, where you from song, miss your homie song etc. he asked them to do about 4-5 songs and the other songs you can do whatever, be creativity.
Story telling songs.
Mase did not sound like Mystikal, Fiend did not sound like Jay-Z etc. Wayne at 13-16 yrs old didn't sound like Juicy J. Everybody had what was called their own style. You would be shamed for copying another person's style or sounding like them. Checks and balances were in place.
Nowadays every rapper dayum near sounds alike, talking about the same thing. Nothing is new. Every rapper sounds like they're "too good to be rapping", like even the broke and upcoming rappers, it's an entitlement mindset. This was not the case back then. Now some cats from the East Coast, they had this aura with them, which was cool, it was different from everybody else, and it was expected or tolerated because we respected their lane, now everybody has this, I'm too fly, this cockiness of a vibe to their approach to music.
Pimp C had his songs where he just went in, he came at it from a pain stance, bragging, fun, serious, cocky too, but it was a mixture of approaches he presented on records and as a listener you felt it. As I listen to these new dudes, I feel like dayum, do these dudes have bad days? Is everything always Up for these dudes. Like, where's the pain, joy, appreciation, the humbleness, those emotions.
I even remember new "slang" words used to be added to the game. Cash Money would add a new slang term, word (that was commonly used in NOLA or in the area) and it would be used maybe once or twice by an East/West Coast rapper, and they would give reference to where they got the slang from
"I'm bout it bout it" like them boys at No Limit or Master P, etc. Those rappers who weren't from the region or who didn't start the slang would pay homage and vice versa, southern rappers would pay homage to a word, metaphor etc. Nowadays, rappers use slangs from all over, they all use the same words, word play, cadence, beat pattern. etc. All these dudes laidback and tough and appear like they have bodies.
A Mannie Fresh production was not the same as a Crucial Conflict or production at Suave House. A KLC production was different from the Dungeon Family, Outkast etc. I think nobody has their own sound. It was a time where rappers worked well with certain producers. I still want to hear an all-produced album with Wayne and Mannie. Carter 1 to me, is still his best project to me and Mannie did 90-95% of that album. That album changed Wayne career, some may say the Carter 2, but I was there when Carter 1 dropped and how his career changed and how folks started viewing him as a rapper.
Nowadays, every beat sounds the same, use the same pattern, breaks, hi-hats, same loops, no bridges, (no female singers on hooks,) etc. No Indepth sounds that speaks volume to your soul. No dear mama songs.
Every song is about the same thing.
I remember reading something where Master P would tell his artist that they had to do a mama song, where you from song, miss your homie song etc. he asked them to do about 4-5 songs and the other songs you can do whatever, be creativity.
Story telling songs.
Read what I wrote and ask yourself again why this is …
@dora_da_destroyer you really can’t have this convo in the booth because everyone wants to use this to defend the music they grew up listening too by talking bad about current music
$cam-U-Well_Jack$on
Superstar
Tryna make "hits" and not simply focusing on good music is part of da problem.
I posted this interview in a very similar thread a week or two ago but I think some of what Bowie brings up is relevant here too:
One of the things he predicts is that the internet would lessen the importance of the messenger. The music and the audience will be more important. You kinda see that now where the middle man (the artist) kinda getting the short end of the stick. So you get the audience consuming to an insane degree and you have the labels and DSPs eating off all the content.
One of the things he predicts is that the internet would lessen the importance of the messenger. The music and the audience will be more important. You kinda see that now where the middle man (the artist) kinda getting the short end of the stick. So you get the audience consuming to an insane degree and you have the labels and DSPs eating off all the content.
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
Lol, you can’t have it anywhere on thecoli cuz people never read the link and comment out of context lol
These dudes are writing paragraphs about how diverse rap music was in the 90s
These dudes are writing paragraphs about how diverse rap music was in the 90s
Who creates stars? the fans or the actual rapper/song writer?
Who makes a record a hit record? The fan or the person who's making the record?
Do you listen to the buyer or the seller if a product isn't moving or doing what it's supposed to do?
Pull up what you said months ago for comparisonIn summary:
Music isn’t allowed to be force fed to the same size audience as previous generations because the internet has democratized engagement to the creation and access of it … out of touch old nikkas still lost on how to respond
Surprise surprise
When I said this same shyt months ago nikkas were acting flabbergasted now that a major publication is stating what’s been obvious on the ground for some time now i think it will finally sink in
Labels create stars
They give the artist a platform and reach. Without that no one becomes a star
That’s the reason independent artist aren’t stars
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
Labels did create stars. What artist has become a major star - as in they are a chart topper, crowd seller for multiple years across multiple albums - without a major label push? That’s one of the points of the article, not being able to build sustained stardom., hits pop off for multiple reasons but that doesn’t make people into bankable stars anymore. They gave a clear example of muni long. Had a huge hit song at the top of the year and you’d be hard pressed to find a discussion about her 6 months later