Tokyo Vice - Season 2 (HBO MAX/2.8.24)

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really impressive opening shot, on the water. Wish they would have kept with that for a little more.

Thought the episode kinda dragged in spots. Acting and believability wise. The Sato in the hospital kill him scene was bad. Lots of Samatha wandering and rambling and harassing the guy, that was too cliched and not done stylishly enough to transcend weak writing.

Scenes at the YAKUZA controlled hotel were dope, kinda had the Mann fingerprints on that scene. Everything conveyed with head nods and posture and routine.

The fire at the paper. That wasn't really well done either. But, the texture, and the beauty and the kind of feeling the show has, is strong.

going to watch again. and then E2.
 
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Nice to see buddy from Giri/Haji in this.
Hayama gonna be a problem.

Nagata not with the fukkery, all gyangu must go. :wow: Looking forward to see how she works with Katagiri.
Dude is good. He was in Scorcese's Silence too
 

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The show still feels kind of uneven, and tonally/quality inconsistent, maybe this is only my perception/bias, but I feel like I can tell different writers/different directors, different directions in the scenes.

Of course some of this is just my preferences, but there will be a scene like the Backstreet karaoke one, the way that was shot, the lack of focus on dialouge, the visuals and colors, and just exploring a world that is unknown, as in a crew of Yakuza gangsters listening to American pop in a club at 3:00 in the morning. That's dope. That's a funny, foreboding, authentic scene. Even all the scenes where they eat are dope lol

And then there will be kind of cheesy scenes, kind of really cheesy scenes, like the raid on the Yakuza tower. The lines seem out of action movies. The violence seems out of C list network TV dramas. When the guy points the gun at him. That was bad. Not worthy of the show or it's better moments.

And then the kind of semi overplotted parts, I understand that any or most gangster shows are going to traffic heavy in cliches. The Hayama character for one. There's no real tension there, because we can all see right away, he's a "bad bad guy". He's not funny or charming, or even an intelligent gangster. He's just there to be the bad guy. Sam's club is interesting and a good source of drama and tension, for many reasons, but some of the elements they are going with, just less than believable, even being generous

1: That Sam would blatantly defy the Yakuza orders from Sato, because she's a badass businesswoman.

2: That Sato would not further explain his/Yakuza position, when he asks her to not fire the girl, just says ok and walks out

3: That it would NOT be easier and more efficient to threaten/intimidate the guy directly instead of all the spy stuff

and yes, the entire subplot with Jake and the gangster's girlfriend is absurd, self serving, vanity nonsense. The whole scene where he asks her to come to Missouri with him? Meet his family? What? Horrible scene. Where she storms out of the party. Genre fiction like a show called Tokyo Vice has to perform those cliches and conventions at a very very high level to overcome them, and this doesn't always do that.
 
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The show still feels kind of uneven, and tonally/quality inconsistent, maybe this is only my perception/bias, but I feel like I can tell different writers/different directors, different directions in the scenes.

Of course some of this is just my preferences, but there will be a scene like the Backstreet karaoke one, the way that was shot, the lack of focus on dialouge, the visuals and colors, and just exploring a world that is unknown, as in a crew of Yakuza gangsters listening to American pop in a club at 3:00 in the morning. That's dope. That's a funny, foreboding, authentic scene. Even all the scenes where they eat are dope lol

And then there will be kind of cheesy scenes, kind of really cheesy scenes, like the raid on the Yakuza tower. The lines seem out of action movies. The violence seems out of C list network TV dramas. When the guy points the gun at him. That was bad. Not worthy of the show or it's better moments.

And then the kind of semi overplotted parts, I understand that any or most gangster shows are going to traffic heavy in cliches. The Hayama character for one. There's no real tension there, because we can all see right away, he's a "bad bad guy". He's not funny or charming, or even an intelligent gangster. He's just there to be the bad guy. Sam's club is interesting and a good source of drama and tension, for many reasons, but some of the elements they are going with, just less than believable, even being generous

1: That Sam would blatantly defy the Yakuza orders from Sato, because she's a badass businesswoman.

2: That Sato would not further explain his/Yakuza position, when he asks her to not fire the girl, just says ok and walks out

3: That it would NOT be easier and more efficient to threaten/intimidate the guy directly instead of all the spy stuff

and yes, the entire subplot with Jake and the gangster's girlfriend is absurd, self serving, vanity nonsense. The whole scene where he asks her to come to Missouri with him? Meet his family? What? Horrible scene. Where she storms out of the party. Genre fiction like a show called Tokyo Vice has to perform those cliches and conventions at a very very high level to overcome them, and this doesn't always do that.

Samantha negotiation with tbe muthafukking HNIC of ChiriKai was :russ: The only way they can redeem this is if he goes "I said that in English, so it doesn't count :ufdup:" in the next episode.

100% agree with the rest.

In S1 when Jake stands up to Tozawa in that restaurant :mjtf:

Katagiri leaving a meeting to immediately call his daughter and whisper sweet nothings to her.

It's a dope setting and interesting enough overall story with a lot of sloppy writing and cringe moments in between.
 
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