Today's generation doesn't have a single GREAT rapper

[blackslash]

Kdot is the greatest rapper to come in the last decade...

Asap rocky is mediocre garbage

and Lil B

amazing artist

 

[The_King_of_Everything]

Kanye Drake JayZ Kendrick Lupe Lil B

 

[DerrtySouthpaw]

trash logic all in this thread. why is it stickied

 

[SirBiatch]

except Doom first popped off int eh early 90s with KMD you know nothing dummy

actually Zev Love X first popped off in the early 90s. DOOM emerged later.

You were so desperate to find a flaw in my post that you made yourself look stupid.

Cats like you will deliberately nitpick some minor, irrelevant shyt just so you can miss the larger point. Mental gymnastics are a muthafukka.

 

[retroracer]

actually Zev Love X first popped off in the early 90s. DOOM emerged later.

You were so desperate to find a flaw in my post that you made yourself look stupid.

Cats like you will deliberately nitpick some minor, irrelevant shyt just so you can miss the larger point. Mental gymnastics are a muthafukka.

you say that like they are different people....you complain about nitpicking but the only point you brought up against me was saying he went by a different name then?

 

[Cynic]

My dude... cmon. You're trying too hard. But in a way I don't blame you because hip hop is so splintered that obvious shyt isn't obvious anymore.

Let me put it like this: I know an OG who worked in the business who was in his 30s when Wu-tang debuted. He has a Cuban Linx tattoo and thought it was one of the greatest shyts he'd ever heard. His era is Whodini, Run DMC and them.

I've had a convo with Ernie Paniccioli (look him up) and he loved Wu-tang. One of his all-time, top 3 favorite rappers is MF DOOM. Think about when Madvillainy came out, and how long Ernie's been listening to hip hop and photographing it. If he was really stuck in the past, he would have no idea who DOOM was. Ernie's also a big Nas fan. Think about it.

You young cats are so stuck on this "they hating on us because we're young" stuff that you fail to see the major point: Your generation sucks. And it's not even run by you. It's run by old ass people like Angie Martinez's friends. The corny ones who run the industry and see hip hop as a bank to fuel their expensive lifestyles. So yeah, they'll fund your new one-hit wonder and wack ass rapper to the youth because y'all don't know better.

Yes, some of us are bitter and hating. And have grown up to be conservative in our listening tastes, so we're stuck in the past. But that's a certain percentage. The rest of us are fans for life. And if you're a new cat who's really dope, we'll champion you. Look at how many ASAP Rocky posts I make, and I'm from the 90s. I genuinely fukk with dude. I haven't liked a new rapper as much in 10 years easy, and I think his best shyt rivals some of the best I've ever heard from hip hop when it comes to atmosphere and eclectic production.

I give props where they're due.

You're trying too hard to discredit this era... I know members of Juice Crew and UMCs who do not fukk with any of that 90s sh!t

There is nothing new about your argument, how would a young SirBiatch handle older cats saying
" I was around when Melle Mel was spitting that truth, The Message n!gga, real hiphop"
"Nas ain't sh!t, Rakim is the pioneer, Rakim the gawd"
"Fukk Wu.....KRS would wash all these goofy bruce lee n!ggaz"
"Kane got swag, can dance and tears sh!t up on the mic"

That same n!gga talking sh!t about your era of "greatness" would get laughed at by soul/funk OGs

"Rappin isn't music, these jiveturkeys got no soul, got no heart, can't sing and can't play instruments"
"The fukk is so great about that ?"

There is nothing new or novel about your viewpoint, it's been done for decades. People hate change and are loyal to their own ignorance.
I'm not as rigid as you are, I grew up on a diet of East coast lyricists (GZA, Big L, Chino XL, Nas, Pun etc) and underground hiphop. I
was always about the wordplay, metaphors punchlines and the technical aspect of it. Now I can appreciate all eras and the south
without trying to make comparisons by my own lofty standards.

Why do you have to compare eras to begin with? 90s didn't have itunes or streaming

I can genuinely enjoy Kool Moe Dee, DMX, Young Thug just as much as I can Demigodz, Non phixion and MF Doom.


I find your Asap fandom bizzarre.... the guy is a houston influenced label product with no history...
He can only exist in this era where there is no focus on lyrics but on "eclectic production"
And as far as uptown swag rap goes Cam >>>>>>>>>> Rocky.

New rappers do not need to be championed by archaic prudes...that's how you end up with Joe Bada$$

 

[SirBiatch]

you say that like they are different people....you complain about nitpicking but the only point you brought up against me was saying he went by a different name then?

Homie... are you slow?

The whole point of the post you initially quoted was the fact that old ass people listened to hip hop for several years, and stopped fukking with it when the genre fell off. Which negates the "you don't like new hip hop because you're old" argument.

Out of all that, you went and nitpicked "DOOM came out in the early 90s, idiot". Which is so besides the point and stupid I don't even know where to begin.

 

[SirBiatch]

@Cynic you stay repeating yourself, even when I've already addressed your points. It's getting old.

You're trying too hard to discredit this era... I know members of Juice Crew and UMCs who do not fukk with any of that 90s sh!t

Good for them. I don't give a fukk about them.

Unlike you, I don't get sensitive if older people don't like my music. I listen to their thoughts and see if it has validity. If it's valid, I step my game up and improve my standards. If it's not valid and they're clearly out the loop, then I say, "respectfully you're out of the loop" and I keep it moving.

None of us who are telling you that modern hip hop is trash are out of the loop. Not a single one of us. But keep pretending we are.

I find your Asap fandom bizzarre.... the guy is a houston influenced label product with no history...

yawn. You're behind the times. ironically. You're still stuck in this retarded argument that was debunked 4 years ago.

He can only exist in this era where there is no focus on lyrics but on "eclectic production"

Hip hop has ALWAYS been about the production first. The center of the whole shyt is the "get down."

New rappers do not need to be championed by archaic prudes...that's how you end up with Joe Bada$$

I agree. and I don't fukk with Joey Bada$$ at all.

I'm not an archaic prude and I don't know why you insist on pretending I am. When in fact I've been one of the biggest champions of Lil B and ASAP Rocky on this site.

 

[mobbinfms]

Good for them. I don't give a fukk about them.

@Cynic is using anecdotal evidence, the same way you did when you brought up a 50 year old who liked Mase.
Ultimately it doesn't hold much weight for either side.

 

[SirBiatch]

@Cynic is using anecdotal evidence, the same way you did when you brought up a 50 year old who liked Mase.
Ultimately it doesn't hold much weight for either side.

Huh? If you check my post, I don't disagree with his anecdotal evidence. His anecdotal evidence holds weight. It's his conclusion based on that anecdotal evidence that holds no weight. That's what we're arguing.

 

[Still FloW]

this fucc boi really ended his argument with

asap rocky and lil b ?

yoooo... i wanna fucc his mom with him watching so i can call him my son and disown him, then smack the shyt out of him while he's eating his cereal and sip all his capri suns and not even use the straws..

youre the nut that shouldve ended up on a dirty sock.. you dumb son a bytch as fucc boiii

always making stupid claims

 

[Monoblock]

Good rappers yes but great no. Lupe was the last great rapper IMO. I will forever listen to Food and Liquor, The Cool and T&Y. Can't say that about many other cats nowadays. Don't want to argue just my opinion.

 

[SirBiatch]

this fucc boi really ended his argument with

asap rocky and lil b ?

keep it real - you didn't understand my argument. And the fact that your eyes were drawn to names you dislike more than the actual argument shows that you're not that bright.

Hence the mental diarrhea that follows:

yoooo... i wanna fucc his mom with him watching so i can call him my son and disown him, then smack the shyt out of him while he's eating his cereal and sip all his capri suns and not even use the straws..

youre the nut that shouldve ended up on a dirty sock.. you dumb son a bytch as fucc boiii

always making stupid claims

 

[Cynic]

@Cynic you stay repeating yourself, even when I've already addressed your points. It's getting old.



Good for them. I don't give a fukk about them.

Unlike you, I don't get sensitive if older people don't like my music. I listen to their thoughts and see if it has validity. If it's valid, I step my game up and improve my standards. If it's not valid and they're clearly out the loop, then I say, "respectfully you're out of the loop" and I keep it moving.

None of us who are telling you that modern hip hop is trash are out of the loop. Not a single one of us. But keep pretending we are.



yawn. You're behind the times. ironically. You're still stuck in this retarded argument that was debunked 4 years ago.



Hip hop has ALWAYS been about the production first. The center of the whole shyt is the "get down."



I agree. and I don't fukk with Joey Bada$$ at all.

I'm not an archaic prude and I don't know why you insist on pretending I am. When in fact I've been one of the biggest champions of Lil B and ASAP Rocky on this site.

You have streaming and itunes now...nothing is stopping you from finding other artists in this era or hidden gems from that era to meet your standards

Frankly if you don't like this generation.... you have a multitude of options

• Don't listen to it
• Don't form any opinion based on emotional nostalgia
• Build a time machine and revisit that era
• Pick up the mic and show us how it's done.
• Kill yourself so you won't have to endure this era

You are just being lazy and thankless with this thread, if you can't find great rappers it's your fault.
Try harder... if you can find Rocky and Lil B "innately alluring" they'll be others instead of saying


"i've failed to find great rappers in this current crop ...so i'll moan about it and dismiss anyone who challenges me"


Cam is from Harlem, certified history with Children of the corn, more flamboyant and charismatic than Rocky
Do you think Rocky is better than Cam ? I won't even bring Ma$e into this

Hip hop was always about DJing and MCing.... You know any successful NY artist had to spit bars back then
Hence why Rocky can only succeed in this climate that values style over substance
Or substance (abuse) over lyricism

I got a clip of him trying to make it in your beloved era......

Spoiler

I don't hold it against you, you like what you like but shytting on this era then proppin a houston biter with average lyrics
with less finesse than both Cam and Ma$e is kinda ironic



then again............... only on thecoli :pharrell:

 

[SirBiatch]

You have streaming and itunes now...nothing is stopping you from finding other artists in this era or hidden gems from that era to meet your standards

Frankly if you don't like this generation.... you have a multitude of options

• Don't listen to it
• Don't form any opinion based on emotional nostalgia
• Build a time machine and revisit that era
• Pick up the mic and show us how it's done.
• Kill yourself so you won't have to endure this era

You are just being lazy and thankless with this thread, if you can't find great rappers it's your fault.
Try harder... if you can find Rocky and Lil B "innately alluring" they'll be others instead of saying


"i've failed to find great rappers in this current crop ...so i'll moan about it and dismiss anyone who challenges me"


Cam is from Harlem, certified history with Children of the corn, more flamboyant and charismatic than Rocky
Do you think Rocky is better than Cam ? I won't even bring Ma$e into this

Hip hop was always about DJing and MCing.... You know any successful NY artist had to spit bars back then
Hence why Rocky can only succeed in this climate that values style over substance
Or substance (abuse) over lyricism

I got a clip of him trying to make it in your beloved era......

Spoiler

then again............... only on thecoli :pharrell:

Stop crying, Cynic. You keep repeating yourself, too.

Your long-winded post is basically begging me to "please shut up and don't talk about how shytty modern rap is." LOL at begging someone to not form an opinion.

Sorry. I'll be in here shytting on your mediocre crop of rappers you stan. Nothing you can do about it except become a mod and ban me. The sad thing is that you know I'm analytical and say potent shyt. But you don't really want to admit it. The mediocrity of your generation is getting harder and harder to ignore. So the mental gymnastics get more and more impressive.

Do I think Rocky is better than Cam? that's actually a good question. Both are flamboyant, fashionable and have filler rhymes. I prefer Live.Love.ASAP over ANY Camron or Cam affiliated album. But then again, Rocky has never spit a verse as fire as Cam's verse on Fantastic Four pt 2.

somewhat of a toss-up, but I'll go with Rocky.

I guess it burns you inside that Rocky's still around 4 years later. Though I'm sure you thought he wouldn't last a day outside 2011